draw the spirit of pat buchanan in saying this, wolf, but i'm not sure the time spent in an international house of pancakes necessarily qualifies for foreign policy experience. >> joen, patrick j. buchanan. with us now from des moines, iowa, political director, host of the "daily rundown" on msnbc, chuck todd, live this morning at java joes. chuck, you've got those polls hot off the presses. >> i do. >> let's -- i'm going to walk you through and you can guide us a little bit. >> okay. >> likely iowa voters, the field, the snapshot at this moment, mitt romney and ron paul tied for the lead, what do you see? >> reporter: well, look, let's just highlight santorum and gingrich here. there's a chance that we could be catching these numbers sort of where you're watching them move, they're still moving and santorum could still be moving up and gingrich could still be moving down. when you look at how dramatic both movements are, you see and there are other numbers to back this up on santorum versus gingrich. it is easy to picture how gingrich could end up in single digits come tuesday night and how santorum could be for first or second come tuesday night. that's the type