that is when joe burman -- . >>, huh. >> came in and we ended up with three horns. and we had them ever since. >> this has been 15, 20 years. when it comes to the choir, being there in the choir. -- and occurs throughout the night. six to eight sogs. >> how do you select the songs? i know they have a lot to do with it. you select the songs. >> first, i got to see what soloests are there. >> and i tried to set the mood for the preacher to preach. >> uh-huh. >> and i think that is my primary job. and, you know, first you want to wake the people up. you don't want to start over anything slow. >> okay. >> and then the next song, you can't keep hitting them like that, you know. you have to wake them up. >> and calm them down. [ laughter ] >> and then fire them back up. i mop that is may way of doing it. and so far, it's worked. then something before the preacher preaches. >> uh-huh. >> that really would touch you, you know. really do something -- . >> and you have to all be in fine with that spirit as you go along. >> oh, yeah. >> the concern, what song is going to be. >