>> just before you finish, joe duffy d.b.i. mr. butler referred to me on a building permit. i want to say it was temporary shoring of a building. those do not go to the planning department. we need to approve them, when it comes to someone on the third floor, we're doing the process and refer to engineers for approval. so the permit he's referencing that i was so wrong on, i was actually right on. a temporary shoring permit. i wanted to correct on that item. >> thank you mr. duffy. i do get it, there's a lot of permits out there. i think in the spirit of the conversation, it's hard to monitor and track, but thank you for clarifying that. >> and just one other thing -- the misrepresentation on plans is as big of a problem as demolition. i don't know if you're getting all that, that's one of the issues that we deal with a lot. someone shows something in a building as existing that's not there. that's a huge issue for us and that's something that -- i'm a senior building inspector, what

. >> president mccarthy, director hui, i'm joe butler, an architect, hired in 2003 to look at chestnut, it was designed for the widow of the judge, the guest cottage referred to was a separate structure built after the earthquake and fire as probably temporary house for judge wright's widow and his and her daughter. later they subdivided the lot and built the main house. the main house is the historic resource that was demolished by the contractor. in 2014 as we understand, the permit submittals came as a result of a new owner from 2002. so 12 years later, somehow magically that planning approval stayed in place. that planning approval was sent to restore and retain -- i'm trying to think of the right word, preserve the existing northeast and west facades. so in winter 2014, the neighbors began to complain in the early winter of 2015, a neighbor said the front wall of the building which was to be preserved was hanging in space. this call came to d.b.i. so the investigative process we saw moments ago would have had d.b.i. on site and planning notified that this permit is now suspended,

. >> good morning, president mccarthy, members of the commission, director, my name is joe butler, architect here in the city, member of the a.i.a., 30 years in practice. i have been bringing building department applications over that whole period of time and i've seen, i've seen a lot worse than what she showed on the wall there. we have three f.t.e.s in the back row. how much money do they represent in the budget of this department. those guys, not this woman who takes time off from her day to come down here, those guys should solve these problems. well, then you look into it, and you find out that those guys are the reasons we have these problems. the senior managers continue to do permit intake in your department, tom. i mean -- i think it's below their pay grade. i don't know. because usually when you come in and you bring a permit in, the people behind the desk are not the senior managers. for some developers, some contractors, they come in and they get their permits approved by ed sweeney or mr. duffy or, or quality control by ron thoum. how does that happen? why are these senior peop

all of the money drop attempts, butler boulevard, chick-fil-a, and now joe's crab shack had ended inree attempts at a ransom drop, the money never actually changed hands. >> no. >> the kidnappers never actually got the money. >> no. no. >> i turned to the fbi and said, what's happening to the money? >> they said, well, we don't exactly know where the money is right now. i said, great. so you've gotten my daughter killed. >> the real kidnappers were still looking for their money. and, of course, it wasn't at the drop location. >> it's tense. mom's a wreck. mom is getting upset because mom knows she dropped off the money. >> everything went south at that ransom drop. >> we still didn't know who we're looking for. we're back to square one. >> back to square one again. >> again. >> you were kind of at the end of your rope. >> absolutely. >> not like a tv show, is it? >> no. >> it had been about 43 hours since quinn disappeared. as the fbi prepared yet another bag of money, the kidnappers called back. it was the same male voice from before and he was angry about the lack of progress. >> l

i think ben butler was most hated in new orleans by a lot of people for a variety of reasons. i think joe johnson was most hated by people in richmond. it really depends on who is doing the hating. if i had to say the one who came out of the war with the most problematical reputation, it would probably be ben butler. as we have heard, that depends very much on the criteria you use to evaluate him. if you are looking at him as a general, maybe that is deserved. if you are looking at him as a contributor to american history, there is a different evaluation we can make. >> well, there is obviously no way to be precise about a question like this. i'm not even sure i like the i'm not even sure i like the question. i will answer anyway. i agree with craig, it is butler. he is the most vilified in the south, far more than any other union general and for less reason in many ways. i think far more than sherman. during the war itself. i think in the north, butler is going to have plenty of enemies. during reconstruction, he has plenty of enemies north and south. i will vote for butler all the way.