then joe campbell's story changed. ened, joe quoted tim as saying oh, you're armed? now he claims tim pointed a gun right at him. >> shoot him first. >> certainly the statement shoot first or cut the locks, he is trying to show that tim newman verbally told him that he was going to shoot him and before that there was nothing. >> and about the angle of the shot suggesting the first shot was a shot in the back? no, no, said joe. didn't happen. not long after they sent joe home again, and wondered what was the truth and what wasn't. they reaco >> in the end we needed shooting reconstructionists, reconstruct the shooting at the scene. >> but the reconstruction would have to wait for one of those only in montana reasons. >> right after tim newman was shot, there was a big snowstorm and the crime scene had been under snow the whole winter, we had to wait until may to get him up to the crime scene to do his work. >> so once again it was string time in montana. and the answer, pure and mindless as the first tiny blossom rose up

ok i think it't's a scienence-fiction magazine tht joe e campbell used to publish that my dad subscribed to. i used to read for ratio sleep. to read voraciously. when i was eight or nine years old that was like 1960. no one had been to the backside of the moon at that point. in the story, these astronauts are going to go to the backside of the moon and figure out what is on the backside of the moon. everyone has always wondered. we have only seen the front side. and theyin the capsule sign off, radio silence, it is going to break the radio waves. they are going to turn off the vacuum tubes and save the leg the city. 1960 toss. -- save the electricity, 1960's. they look out the window and there is this cast. a debate breaks out. shall we tell them? would see. what they a crashed spaceship? a lost civilization? lizard people? what is on the backside of the moon? they were so horrified by what they saw that it almost turns into a fist fight in the capsule. eventually they come to the conclusion that they were just going to say it looks just like the front. we are not going to tell anybody.

ok i think it't's a scienence-fiction magazine tht joe e campbell used to publish that my dad subscribed i used to read for ratio sleep. to read voraciously. when i was eight or nine years old that was like 1960. no one had been to the backside of the moon at that point. in the story, these astronauts are going to go to the backside of the moon and figure out what is on the backside of the moon. everyone has always wondered. we have only seen the front side. and theyin the capsule sign off, radio silence, it is going to break the radio waves. they are going to turn off the vacuum tubes and save the leg the city. 1960 toss. -- save the electricity, 1960's. they look out the window and there is this cast. a debate breaks out. shall we tell them? would see. what they a crashed spaceship? a lost civilization? lizard people? what is on the backside of the moon? they were so horrified by what they saw that it almost turns into a fist fight in the capsule. eventually they come to the conclusion that they were just going to say it looks just like the front. we are not going to tell anybody. beca

campbell, matt wood, thank you all very much. >> guest: thank you. >> guest: thanks. >> members of the british parliament paid tribute to labour party lawmaker joe cox who was shot and killed last week. live coverage from the british house of commons today at 9:30 a.m. eastern on c-span2. >> the heritage foundation hosted a discussion friday with margaret thatcher's former speech writer on the upcoming e.u. referendum vote set to take place this thursday. this discussion also comes a day after jo cox was shot and killed outside her constituency in leeds. as a result, campaigns for the referendum were halted. this is just over an hour. [applause] >> thank you very much, john. good morning. welcome to the heritage foundation and the margaret thatcher center for freedom. it is my great pleasure to introduce john o'sullivan. i've known john for over 15 years and first met him when i