i think that joe campbell got involved before joe. they remain friends and remaind some stories about that. i don't think harvey ever met andy warhol. >> did you find any evidence of the dealings? >> i did. that was heartbreaking stuff. jim jones took every progressive politician in the san francisco am and the fact is when he was in san francisco he did some wonderful things. he clothed the naked to quote the bible and he was very much in favor of the 1975 marriage that wasn't finally recognized with andrew sullivan and his partner. he actually got his congregation to campaign for harvey and i found some letters at the california historical society where he wrote to jim jones about his claim to the people'ss temple and harvey could be very gushy and romantic in his letters and he said something like i saw today what you wanted me to see and i will be back. it was this lovely letter about how much he appreciated jim jones and at one point he'd taken people to town and there were a lot of complaints from family members in the area and

find something that care about that is more cool than the marlboro man or joe campbell.edom to marry, the gay rights movement. this is an interesting insight that came out of our research. and the central focus back to the meeting in 2005, they are on the road to figure out the 10101020 plan. how can we move the country closer to supporting or tolerating the idea of same-sex marriage? we started asking questions of mainstream america, one pole, why do you get married? i love my partner, i want to be married under the eyes of god, celebrated in the community, and the next question is why do you think a gay couple want to get married? what was the number one answer? i don't know. and the second answer was because they want hospital visitation rights or something to do with benefits. that is when the lightbulb movements went off. we want to get married the same way non-gay people want to get married, to love, celebratory union, we are parts of faith and want to do this under the eyes of god. what we want is what everybody wants. they shifted their strategy from rights and d

the global chief marketing leader at campbell soup, and joe pollock. welcome.h you. tell us what is going on with packaged food. there has been turnover. >> there has been. it is about the industry and the challenges for the big food companies. they are struggling to find growth. have gone three years of cost-cutting. now they are looking for topline growth. it is harder to be relevant today with the fragmented choices. changing andds preferences changing. they're looking for ways to grow. are people buying fewer goods or paying less because the prices are going down? >> people are still eating. what is happening is they are eating different food in different places. more people finding these new outsides, newer brands more relevant. there are less process, they are meeting needs of they are not finding as much today. versusake a look at s&p -- there is a typo. the underperformance. do you look at a worse offender versus good offender? >> they are the ones take a look and looking at the new looking at functional foods, natural, organic, the consumer is moving a

bmw country where free and open trade started by carroll campbell in south carolina, revolutionized the state. >> i wasn't just in brussels, joe, last week, and i heard an earful from germans and ores talking in part about what you're describing, the level of german investments in the u.s., autos in particular that's made them the significant export center of german cars made in the united states by american workers to other markets and talking about the net trade effects that could come as trump imposes these tariffs. more broadly, i think what europeans finally are reckoning with, the first year donald trump, they were kind of in denial, they liked mat does, they wanted continuity. they're reckoning with the reality that this is real, that the disruptive donald trump presidency really has disrupted their relationship with the united states, and now they're looking for the ways in which they can defend their own interests, their trade and commercial interests, but evening their now security interests without a reliable united states as a partner. so i heard people talking about europeans developing more independent defense. o