. >> if you look at what joe conason raises, when you look at the political price they paid in the '90s this, what happened before. only serious personal analysises would leave them to doing what doesn't politically make sense. >> you're absolutely right. that's one of the things former speaker pelosi said today that they're making this incredibly personal. and that just gives you pause in saying what are they in for? are they in for trying to roll up their sleeves and get the job done for the american people or are they making this so personal every american has to pay their consequences for level of maturity? >> talking about pelosi, joe, she said today when questioned about whether or not they could lose the elections, the republicans. she says we can win back the house. i'll know a little bit better in a couple of more months. if republicans force a shutdown, could it help democrats take the house back. >> i think that's one of the only things in the gerrymandered congress that could help the democrats. it's an uphill climb, everyone agrees with that. if people understand what happe