joe paterno. gary schultz tim curley. and he told on that sunday before. graham, you're the only one who can handle this. if the board doesn't let you handle, i'm going to have to step down because i know i can't deal with it. so surma, the vice of the board who wasn't going to become chair for another year and a half or so, he kind of took over and he was a high powered corporate executive who was used to, you know, decisions and he was quoted saying behind closed doors in the board meeting, this is what we're going to do. we are not drinking kool-aid and any of you saw that press. you saw john surma there, all the talking. steve garvin sitting next to him, but looking dejected and then, as is often done in the media these days, all of the trustees, all of the supporters are sitting behind on camera. if we're all 100% behind this and i once the board made that decision and i can tell from notes i have from behind close, there are things that have had to have been shared with me that the board very quickly moved into a mode of circling wagons to use a comm