and if joe digenova was looking to change the narrative it worked. nes were all about the white house denying it sent private investigators on joe and his wife. ken starr started calling white house officials to testify about whether they were trying to intimidate people and the narrative became war between ken starr and the white house and everybody is using dirty tactics. my favorite was from "usa today" at the time. "clinton versus starr turning nasty." who can claim truth or objectivity anymore? who indeed? there are specific people who are called upon to play this particular role. in the d.cbusiness of partisan scandal making and scandal distracting. people who are called upon to muddy the waters, shift the focus, confuse the narrative. during the benghazi investigation, joe digenova was backpedaling claims the obama administration was intimidating witnesses. during the presidential campaign, joe digenova was back regularly citing supposed inside sources telling him that hillary clinton was definitely about to be indicted over her e-mails. she wa

joe digenova. he said susan rice engaged in illegal activity. you just have to te his rd for it. d that was t latt evolution today of this alternate story line, this parallel republican-friendly universe in which the real scandal is not russia attacking our election, is not what anyone in the trump campaign might have been to potentially coordinate with russia to undermine our election. no, the real scandal is something the obama white house did. >> the allegation is that in one case, they are alleging in the daily caller that there was a spreadsheet you put out of all of these names. >> absolutely false. >> and circulated. >> no spreadsheet. nothing of the sort. >> now susan rice has to give her denial of what joe digenova said to a right wing blog. war between the trump and obama white houses. everybody is using dirty tactics. the exclusive sit-down today susan rice and andrea mitchell was an epic moment in the clearing up of this particularly muddy moment in this scandal. it was epic and andrea mitchell joins us next. stay with us. >>> the allegation is that somehow obama admi