joe donnelly was the most successful joe donnelley is the most successful man i knew. we took meetings, two people show up. rep. roemer: that's no reflection on joe. audience: no, no, he's hilarious. great guy. that's probably still the case today. sure congresswoman rowarski thing.ng the same congressman petri, i'm sure you saw the same thing. a certain extent, i don't think it's a question of access. i think thinking about the challenge, someone said, organized greed will beat disorganized democracy every time. and i think that's really the hasn't come up here is the kochclassmate, brothers but if you're a republican you can talk about soros like my brother does. that challenge, thinking about the challenge, i think, is important, and the access is there if people will take it. my role working in south bend, indiana, i think i talked met probably 5,000 people in three years. i had one person come to us who a request that was not purely self-interested or ideological. person said, this is a good idea that i see in the tax code. a tax professor. just tosecond thing is,

that oftentimes puts other priorities in the queue legislatively and maybe not that person, the joe donnelley or tim roemer or jackie walorski met with to do something to make higher education more affordable. that falls down the line. it's this corrosive system, re-districting and money that has lead to a democracy that is dysfunctional and deadlocked right now. we get the government we deserve. the people of america get the government they deserve. and until we rally up and revolt and take this government back, we're not going to change it, whether it's a constitutional amendment or f.e.c. reform. the american people really have to take the 75% or 80% frustration rate, "i'm mad at hell," but are you going to do something about it? that's the key right now. meredith: you've raised an important point, the impact of the current system on two issues. the committee for economic development, which represents the fortune 500 companies, has come out with a very strong statement talking about how the system has turned into a legalized shakedown from their perspective. the second is our national defe