. >> and joe doria -- >> joe -- >> former speaker of the assembly, a prominent democrat who had joined corzine's cabinet as commissioner of community affairs and who did or did not get a raw teal out -- deal out of this whole thing? >> that -- we don't answer the question intentionally, and we're glad that we are not required to answer that question because it really is a matter of perspective on joe doria. and we lay out exactly what happened with him. but joe doria who was at the time a member of the governor's cabinet, he was not arrested, he was not charged, but his home and office were searched. it turns out that one of the bad men had, a, advertised that doria was on the take, and, b, had gotten dwick to pass him marked money, and he advertised he would pass that money off to joe doris. there's never been any proof that doria took any of that money, he's never been charged. as the feds day, the case continues. but the element of doria being brought in, that's a good point that you raise, that adds to the democrats' pro-corzine spin that this was all done to damage corzine because