tell me about joe galway. what kind of contact did you have with him? >> i didn't have much contact with joe until it was all over with. >> mm-hmm. >> and of course, we used to drink a beer or two together. and i've known him, of course, all them years. he's a straight arrow, straight shooter and a very bright man, very clever. very cagey. very intelligent. good person. good human being. >> okay. hal moore after this battle you said he took you into the tent. what do you remember about those troopers, and him on the 16th when they came out of there? did you -- you looked them up, correct? >> oh, absolutely, yeah. we looked at every one of them just the same as we'd lifted them in. we come in empty and extracted them, which we did a lot. of times. there was a different look about the young gis in their eyes. general moore, i don't think he ever changed expression. tight jaw, big square jaws. but he -- he -- i think he's a good actor, maybe. he don't show very much emotion, and certainly not among his troops. i think he just -- just steely eyed and just sq

. >> yep, him, bob pews and joe galway. >> did your father know bob and joe? >> oh, yeah. >> i imagine they had to. >> joe actually, when i found this group, joe was the first guy that i really talked to. i took this book and there were some articles with some names, during the tenth anniversary of the vietnam wall and i started -- they started helping me plug names in, and they all kept coming up at the arlington hyatt, as at some reunion. >> uh-huh. >> and i called and left a message at the hospitality suite and the guy kind of says, you know, if anybody knows your dad we'll give you a call back. i'll let general moore and joe galloway know if anybody's going to know him, it will be them. and so i figured i'd hear something the next day, because it was pretty late already. and about midnight i got a phone call, and it was joe galloway, and he said, i couldn't wait until tomorrow to find out -- i'm sorry. if you're the daughter of my good friend charlie black. and it was nice after all those years somebody remembered. >> it was a direct connection. >> yeah. >