joe biden said today. i don't think john nantz gardner said that when franklin roosevelt passed social security. i laughed about it. that's what's going to be on tv. >> here's vice president biden today with president obama at the white house, let's give pat his jiggle and giggle. let's listen. >> this is a big [ bleep ] deal. >> okay. >> that's how american history is made. >> people like that. >> somebody please explain to the vice president that we have microphones. i don't know -- >> david's right about this -- >> i want to ask you -- >> wait a second, he's going to agree with me. >> are you offended by that language? >> i laughed my head off. here's the thing. david is right about this -- if you run for repeal, everybody knows you're not going to do it. if you say repeal, repeal and reform. say we're going to get rid of these, we're going to keep these and we're going to put these in there. that might work. if you say it's not going to happen until 2013. because then it's got credibility. but it ain't going to happen -- >> these guys don't have credibility. they took themselves out of the c