joe gromek is my guest host for the hour. the time that malls are in trouble, e-commerce is expected to grow over 16% this year while last year, mall traffic dropped 50%. is it time to worry? no next guest and joe say way. scott will stain is the ceo of retail partners, and art is with ceo of a company that owns and operates more than 50 malls. is this a big myth that people are not going to malls anymore? >> yes, it totally is. that statistic that was mentioned, that mall traffic is down over 50%, is totally false. when they hearw, that retail traffic is down, then they convert that to mean mall traffic. over the pastio, year, the total sales of our malls was actually up 3.5% to 4%. traffic probably was off maybe 1%, but our shoppers when they came to our malls new exactly what they were doing to some degree. they were there hunting as opposed to shopping from the viewpoint that they knew exactly what they wanted, so maybe they had fewer trips, but they bought more when they came. that has been h or and that has been evolvin