i met joe heller one day at fire island. i commented i have read his book and he said could you help me? by the lead never realized he paid to doctors because he was this screwed up by a doctor. and he said my wife has a scheme -- skin lesion on her breast could you examine it? four people held up their beach towels to make an alcove so i examined her left breast which had ringworm and i prescribe the appropriate treatment than the next day he appeared with a copy of catch-22. it is inscribed for medical services rendered. [laughter] i still have a copy of the book presently at my daughter's home. second, i am responsible partly for him meeting his second wife because she was a nurse who took care of him when he was paralyzed and then one morning could not tie his shoes or talk or swallow. he had never seen a case before and called the neurologist and was admitted and it is a long story but i that i would tell you how i met to joe heller. [applause] >> were you friends with him when he was suffering from his diseased? >> no.

i'm sorry, joe heller. [applause] is not here. only joe could address the question that you have raised. let me ask you. do the country is served with, did they know the book? was this a book that was making the rounds because it was certainly adopted or co-opted even by the antiwar movement back here. was it being read? [inaudible] >> you know something, can i interrupt for one second? he said the thing that is has been the most tonight because i don't understand why that look would motivate anybody to go into the service. [inaudible] >> are there any psychiatrist here? >> you know, i want to say one thing about that referring to something i said before. if you really want to understand it, go back and reread the iliad. a holier. everything was there. it's like everything is in kenya. >> as a matter of fact, i remember having this discussion with joe. the iliad was his favorite book and he read it by age 10. >> i had forgotten. >> he was a teacher in my kit. >> this is minor, but let's talk about to be 25 in what was to crawl from