cupp with msnbc and joe klein with "time magazine." up, hillary clinton's in the news and that brings up her future presidential plans. to decide whether or not to make it official to run again. howard, this is the great question. do you expect her to run? >> i do, no doubt. chris: kelly? that way. chris: what a perfectly careful comment. absolutely. chris: that's what i like. >> yeah, if her health is fine. chris: and your concern about her health? >> i don't know. period. through a tough i think she needed a lot of rest but if she's rested, she's running. and howard, you were here on this show, we're looking back and looking forward at the time, along with andrea mitchell was here. it was just before the iowa caucus, five years ago in 2008, ended up losing the iowa caucuses to barack most didn't expect but here's how we looked at it ahead of that time on our show weekend before the 2008 iowa caucasian. >> howard, you're fresh in from iowa, spent lots of time out there. which way's the trend going? >> i can show you the literature. th

joining me joe klein political columnist for "time" magazine. richard haass president of the council on foreign relations and the thou or of this the book "foreign policy begins at home." and ann-marie slaughter, the future president of the new america foundation. all right. you heard me anne-marie and i think having read your stuff that you disagree with me. why am i wrong about syria? >> in the first place, you're wrong, because this isn't iraq. iraq we were a large part of the problem. we went in, we took out the government, our continue being there contributed to the insurgency and the conflict. i think we should get rid of the various analogies and look at syria as what it is, which is a conflict that has gone on for two years that has killed 70 to 80 thousand syrians, displayed a million or more and is destabilizing the entire region, destabilizing lebanon, turkey, iraq, jordan, throatening possibly israel. just looking at this and then looking at the fact that now the administration has acknowledged that they have been using chemical weap

and joe klein is a columnist for "time" magazine. joe, you've been writing over the weekend about this and you've been tough. >> i thought what the president said today was appropriate, but you're right, people have to get fired over this. the problem is this, we have civil service laws in this country that are 150 years, or 130 years out of date at this point. and it's really hard to fire people down in the bureaucracy who make mistakes. i mean, that's why the veterans administration is such a mess. >> what do you call mistakes? >> what do i call mistakes? >> why do you think this is is a mistake by somebody? it looks to me like partisan prejudice. you don't have to be elected to be a partisan person of prejudice. somebody went out against the right wing. singled them out by name. >> i think what they're trying to do is this. there are very complicated tax laws that, you know, that pertain to partisan policy advocacy groups. and in this case, they were trying to figure out, you know, sometimes policy drifts into politics. and it's il

my colleague joe klein has a great point about the whole issue.sident has been rightfully proud of the lack of scandal in his administration so far. if you think about it, an $800 billion stimulus package. no opponents could find no evidence of graft there. there's been no major scandals of top aides. but we do need to get to the bottom of this. it is kind of a cut-and-dry thing. whoever is responsible should be fired. >> the response in 2004, bob, when the irs not investigated to allow a 501 c 4, but actually audited the naacp because the head of the naacp made some statements against george w. bush, i remember the outrage and the firings over there were oh, wait a minute, there were no outrage and there were no firings. we've had these scandals before. where were the republicans in 2004? >> we know that everyone will play politics with this sort of thing. i think both sides would the problem with politics here, though, is that when you're talking about the irs, you're talking about the heart and soul of americans' faith in the governmental proce

a well known liberal columnist joe klein he writes for time he was asked what he thought of it is and he said something like . it's better that four of them are killed than four of four little girls here. so because i mean the logic is mind boggling but if we have to kill people elsewhere who might conceivably. have aimed to harm us and it happens a couple little girls get killed too that's fine we're entitled. i mean suppose any other any country is doing that. to any anyone we regard as human. it's. credible but this is very common i remember once when right after the invasion of iraq. thomas friedman new york times middle east specialist columnist was interviewed on the charlie rose show you know the sort of intellectuals through the. rose asked what we ought to be doing in iraq. i wish i could. see the actual words to grasp it but basically what it was when he said something like this he said. american troops ought to smash in. the houses and. make people understand that we're not going with terrorism. he said suck on this we're not going to allow terrorism in our society you bett

a well known liberal columnist joe klein. time and he was asked what he thought of it and he said something like. it's better that for them or killed four of four little girls here so because in the logic is mind boggling but if we have to kill people elsewhere who might conceivably. have aimed to harm us and it happens a couple little girls get killed too that's fine we're entitled. i mean suppose any other any country is doing that. to any anyone we regard as human. cruel but this is very common and i remember once when right after the invasion of iraq the. thomas friedman new york times the middle east specialist columnist was interviewed on the charlie rose show you know the sort of intellectuals through the disco and he was asked what we ought to be doing in iraq. i wish it could but you gotta see the actual words to grasp it but basically what it was when he said something like this he said. american troops ought to smash in. the houses and. make people understand that we're not going with terrorism. he said suck on thi

a well known liberal columnist joe klein he writes for time he was asked what he thought about this and he said something like. it's better that four of them are killed than for of four little girls here. so because i mean the logic is mind boggling but if we have to kill people elsewhere who might conceivably. have him to harm us and it happens that a couple little girls get killed too that's fine we're entitled to do that i mean suppose any other any country is doing that or to any anyone we regard as human and it's. cruel. the truly is astounding to hear this type of rhetoric from public figures journalists and government officials it's no wonder americans are so isolated from the impacts of u.s. foreign policy around the world but that's just the latest exacerbation bush policies abroad dr chomsky also speaks out about the policies but profound implications for everyone including those here in the u.s. as a plaintiff on the national defense authorization act or n.d.a. court case he discusses why a lesser known case holder of humanitarian law takes this concept of terrorism affiliati

then again, joe klein makes the limp argument that everybody does this. but he does say more and more it x loo like the obama administration is incapable of running the government at the same time they are trying to expand it. i will say this confirms every suspicion of conservatives. greg you said the tea party is vindicated and before the tea party is vindicated. if you would have said something like this they would have called you wacko and crazy. >> i am getting out my tin foil hat. >> the obama administration has declared war on anyone who disagrees with them. conservatives are the enemy and not a jobless economy and struggling middle class. they are willing to use agencies, the thugry to perpetrate war on conservatives. >> you say they are willing to use it. >> i am making an early leap. i made the early leap in fast and furious and i was right. i made the early leap in benghazi. >> who will win the preakness then? >> i am not sure. >> look, the idea -- first of all, the decisions are to send cinncinati out. do i find it surprising somebody in polit

joe klein, of course, wrote something about talking, nixon. nix owni nixonian coming up. with "the washington post." should come out, should have come out on friday forcefully condemning this action? should he do it today? should people be fired? what should happen? >> i think as more, it doesn't bother me so much that he didn't come out on friday. again, a lot of advance in terms of the facts just in the last 48 hours. for the president to want to wait before he gets the full facts is reasonable to me. but, look, the integrity of the irs is absolutely essential. not that just it's an independent agency a, but the irs. one that can induce extraordinary levels of professional, personal torment upon people, as groups and individuals. if we don't have other faith in the political nature of the irs, we have a huge problem. the core of a lot of people's lives. >> also, when you talk about speech and protected speech, the thing you learn in law school very early on is all speech, for the most part, can be the government can step in and they can figure out how to regulate speech

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thank you, joe klein. great reporting and great reporting over the weekend. >>> coming up, we're going to talk to someone who says her conservative group was personally targeted by the irs. >>> then later, the other big story, benghazi and what it could mean. president obama, secretary clinton, or the republic chance who spend so much time focusing on it? we'll see who gets hurt. and this is "hardball." the place for politics. you'll s written by people just like you. i love my contractor, and i am so thankful to angie's list for bringing us together. angie's list -- reviews you can trust. we're not in london, are we? no. why? apparently my debit card is. what? i know. don't worry, we have cancelled your old card. great. thank you. in addition to us monitoring your accounts for unusual activity, you could also set up free account alerts. okay. [ female announcer ] at wells fargo we're working around the clock to help protect your money and financial information. here's your temporary card. welcome back. ho

joe klein, political moderates have stayed quiet too long and time to speak up.he is saying that people on the extremes have been shouting for the longest time and people in the center, moderates need to do a little shouting now. >> get some work done in washington. the fall and rise of mark sanford. this is a great issue. >> that looks great. >> it's a very amusing piece. >> can a one time conservative hero climb back from disgrace? in south carolina anything is possible. that election is on tuesday waenel be watchiand we will be watching that closely. >>> in efforts to save gun reforms in congress one of the original bills authors in the is not is speaking out about the political climate that ultimately killed the push for expanded background checks. pat toomey said many of his republican colleagues voted no because they didn't want to give the president a political victory. >> i thought that we had settled on a really common sense approach that ought to be able to achieve a consensus. i think in the end we didn't because our politics have become so polarized a

klein was a professor of neurology and the chief of the division of women's neurology at pennsylvania hospital. >> vice president joeagainst violence against women. at a fund raiser last night in washington, biden said that women who had been abused are afraid to file a police report. >> why do you think women who get raped, so many don't report it. they don't want to get raped again by the system. they want to be put through what they have to be put through. >> incredibly strong words. biden says women are afraid to leave abusers because they would have to leave behind their children. he's touting the recently re-authorized violence against women act as critical to help women escape violent situations. >> these remarks came at a benefit for the d.c. volunteer lawyers project, an organization for which his daughter-in-law, kathleen biden, wife of hunter biden serves as vice president. >> it's just great that finally something is getting done. >>> gruesome new evidence this morning that the early settlers at jamestown were cannibals. scientists at the smithsonian revealed the discovery of the bones of a 14-year-old g