here's his quote from joe kleine. if hillary clinton hopes to succeed, she's going to have to drop the veil spontaneously. quite possibly in a crucial moment like a debate and trust america to accept who she truly is. with us now to explain his beef is joe kleine himself. also our friend joan walsh of salon. you've got a moment or two here to just have a clear shot. i think you're dead right about hillary clinton, by the way. i think joan does, too. if you meet hillary clinton in an airport without any cameras around, there's a charm there. i don't mean this in any gender sense. just a charm as a human being which is so effusive and spontaneous and let's call it wonderful. on the stump, she's never been able to be that. bill clinton is the same no matter where you meet him. >> i don't think there's any such thing as inevitability in american politics. it's especially hard for -- you know, eshe's essentially running for the third term of barack obama's presidency and it's really hard when politicians are put in that ki

hillary clinton's new book is called hard choices, and we talk about it this evening with joe klein,berman, john dickerson. >> hillary clinton in this book as you read it, i think from the lay reader will look at this and think boy she did a lot. she was on the plane for 87 days i think it was. and she was kind of always plugging away. and if she's running for president and people are thinking about who can we put a complicated world, in whose camp can we put that. a person who recognizes all the complexity, you get that from this book and nothing more. >> rose: we conclude this evening with a talented young woman named sarah louise who wrote a book called the rise creativity the gift of failure and the search for mastery. >> it's how incredible iconic work happen, right. and i started to notice when i was curating at moma or artist studios there would be these back turn paintings that artists didn't want to show me.

hillary clinton's new book is called hard choices, and we talk about it this evening with joe klein, maggie haberman, john dickerson. >> hillary clinton in this book as you read it, i think from the lay reader will look at this and think boy she did a lot. she was on the plane for 87 days i think it was. and she was kind of always plugging away. and if she's running for president and people are thinking about who can we put a complicated world, in whose camp can we put that. a person who recognizes all the complexity, you get that from this book and nothing more. >> rose: we conclude this evening with a talented young woman named sarah louise who wrote a book called the rise creativity the gift of failure and the search for mastery. >> it's how incredible iconic work happen, right. and i started to notice when i was curating at moma or artist studios there would be these back turn paintings that artists didn't want to show me. but they weren't going to burn those paintings either, right. they were critical for the works and would go on to their acclaim and i started to wonder about w

joe klein broke it down in the most recent issue and he joined me a short time ago. hillary clinton is ubiquitous, she is on magazine covers, she has a but coming out. is she running for president? >> we don't know yet. in 1995, colin powell rolled out this gigantic bookstore. -- book tour. he suckered me in, i put him on the cover of "newsweek" at that time. will she run based on the reaction? >> i have known these people for more than 25 years now. the body language is all about running, i think. you read the authors note which is one of the few things. they have had this sequence of weeks -- leaks. her feelings about her mother and daughter, the benghazi chapter. sounds verynote presidential. >> is there a democrat that could challenge her? like there always is. there is no such thing as inevitability in the democratic party. clinton is facing a new landscape. she should know better than anyone having been an inevitable last time and got beaten by someone most people didn't they could do it. she's getting challenge from the populist left. there might be more than

she admitted to that in some tv interview. >> in 2014, former "rolling stone" writer joe klein, she, what world do we live in? >> a good world. >> as my grandmother would say, this world is not my home. >> look. it's not gone great. i agree with that. but you could make the argument she is getting this stuff out of the way and dealing with her wealth. none of this i think will matter. she is still the democratic candidate, the only democratic candidate and see what the republicans do. >> we are discussing all of this and the stuff that she would like us to be discussing are, like, this 20 exciting pages in this book where she is negotiating for the release of a chinese dissident while having a summit meeting with the chinese. that is the kind of thing she wants us to know about herself and none of us are talking about it. >> exactly. really, steve, the specifics of what we are talking about right now, they aren't going to mat in a week, two weeks, a month. what does matter here, though, is the bigger question of how is hillary clinton going to respond in a general election campaign a

still ahead, "house of cards" gave netflix -- >> we weren't nice to joe klein. >> i love joe klein. >him. >> i feel he needs to work something out with me and his relationship up with the concept of hillary clinton. >> i have to work something out with me. i want to see what she's going to produce. >> okay. >> he gave "house of cards" a -- >> what? >> i'm not skeptical. i just -- okay. >> very skeptical of hillary. >> anyhow, netflix, beinging one of the most buzzed about shows "house of cards." we'll talk to the creator of the original series coming up on "morning joe." we asked people a question, how much money do you think you'll need when you retire? then we gave each person a ribbon to show how many years that amount might last. i was trying to, like, pull it a little further. [ woman ] got me to 70 years old. i'm going to have to rethink this thing. it's hard to imagine how much we'll need for a retirement that could last 30 years or more. so maybe we need to approach things differently, if we want to be ready for a longer retirement. ♪ . if we want to be ready for a longer reti

joe klein, columnist for "time" magazine. his piece this week challenges the notion that clinton's path to the white house is certain. maggie haberman, a cnn political analyst and senior political reporter for "politico." john dickerson, political director at cbs news and "slate" magazine's chief political correspondent. i am pleased to have them here at this table. is this a book that serves her so she should not have gone out trydone what bob gates did, to give you a very smart and sharp and precise view of what it was like to be at a top post in the obama administration? >> i would rather she did what bob gates did. if i am one of her advisers, i would tell her to do exactly what you did which is you wrote a very careful, not particularly revealing book that does have some very interesting moments. she mostly gets right up to the line of something interesting and then pulls back. there are couple of interested -- and thiinstances. she doesn't go into the great detail about how controversial they are. >> you would think tha

joe klein chronicled the clin fons for over two decades.ary colors." >> you entitled this article the myth of inevitabilitinevitabili. everybody think he's inevitable and nobody can stop it. >> that's what everybody thought in 2002. >> there doesn't team to be a barack obama bubbling up in the democratic party. >> in the party you have a lively pop louse movement on the left. you have the former governor of montana who doesn't have a clue. >> the clinton machine will crush them. >> no? >> no. >> you argue in the piece if that's going to happen she needs to warm up a little. loosen up and warm up. >> iveng be more candid. the way they try to control the press is stupid. we can't be controlled. >> i doubt the new york times can. and you know, the quote was i think in a political article she hates you just get used to it. >> the press? >> yes. >> i don't think that's true across the board but the way they try to deal with this is her bringing bagels back to the back of a bus. >> i love her and i also love carbs. >> what i say in the piece is s

and when joe klein comes out from "time" magazine and says this is the straight newscast at 6:00, i think that says a lot. and we're proud of the product. >> obviously, many of the commentators at fox are not fans of president obama. does that make it harder for you dealing with the administration, trying to get bookings and the like? >> it doesn't hinder that ability to cover the news. even in the darkest days, howie, of when the white house was saying -- using fox as a talking point from the white house. >> the president still occasionally takes a whack or two, as he did with bill o'reilly in the super bowl interview. >> yeah, exactly. but as it was really intense, even during that time, we still covered effectively. people were answering calls, and we had responses. is it tougher to book interviews? i'm still waiting to talk again to president obama after the 2010 interview, and we hope he does come back on "special report." i can talk directly to the camera if you want me to. >> all right. dude, what was going through your mind during the interview with former white house spokesman to

let's ask joe klein.n putin's comments about hillary clinton never been too graceful in her statements, is that poking her in the eye or is that overlaying deeper concerns about her track record as a diplomat with respect to russia? >> i thought it was interesting he was talking about weak people pushing the boundary s, which is arguably what he's been doing in europe. >> literally pushing boundaries. >> yes. you know, i don't think anybody should compare anybody to hitler. the sell by date of that is passed. he's going to find her a tough, tough opponent if she runs and if she wins. >> these putin comments are not going to run him any favors with women. why is he so popular in light of statements like this. >> that's a great question. he's a bully and bad guy and people gravitate to famous people -- >> russians especially. this is -- this may be the golden age of nationalism, which isn't such a good thing. and leaders who stoke nationalist ferver in they are countries are usually pretty popular. >> speak

once i call president obama and amateur, marine dowd now calls him an amateur, joe klein at "time" magazineve been many instances a talk about opera and the clintons having a fall out, that has become common knowledge. again and again my sources are always proven true, i think. stuart: i want to speculative out the future moving toward 2016, do you think there will be open hostility between president obama and hardcharging hillary clinton? would it happen? >> maybe not personally because i think that would be self-defeating, but i do think we will see hillary opening a wide gap between herself and obama on many issues with it is opening inequality, the irs scandal, benghazi. again and again you will see her taking different positions from obama and the white house having to say something about it. stuart: will she take the democratic party with her as she moves away from the president's position? >> she will be hard to beat pitt she has the money, the name recognition, i don't see anyone on the horizon will be able to challenge her seriously. stuart: i believe in isolated presidency. are yo