take joe kumar and cover your presents. she very much took issue with that and sought me out after the presentation and said to me, how can you call yourself a muslim? the five pillars of islam is that the house was built on. if you do not engage in them, you are weak muslims and details are very much required. that's the beauty of being in america. we have a freedom of choice. it is her choice. i feel my journey has been about feeling that i am equally muslim, that there is room for me is the muslim within islam. very many progressive voices out there who are also on the same journey, scholars and academics are writing about it in a natural development. >> host: so of course there is no such thing as a lesser muslim in the eyes of god. in the eyes of god in the same one who submits to the will of god. how we decide how we're judged is really not up to another human being. so i'm surprised this devout woman came up to bad come and judge you on basis. a lot of people have been saying that, you know, there are no muslims anyw