it was a hard thing, just because i knew, i'd grown with joe leibgott, he'd become a part of me and all of a sudden i'm seeing this as much as i can through his eyes. i know it's a film shot. i know, i get that, but they made a wonderful effort to make this be as shocking and as heartbreaking and realistic as humanly possible and that did it for me. i'm not jewish, so i wanted to study the jewish faith. i wanted to get into joe's skin a little bit. and when this episode came along, as important as it was for the show, it just -- you know, we all lost something that episode. that was a rough time, but it was important. you know, we have to continue telling that story. you know, it can never, ever, ever be forgotten. it can never be, you know, remotely discussed that it didn't happen. so hopefully we managed to do that with the show. >> jimmy? >> we got -- i remember us getting -- we had good times as we shot. i mean, we joked around a lot. we had fun as you can tell. and i just remember getting the memo that this is going to be a very hard episode and let's just focus and concentrate on