>> joe lieberman, i guess so. he's sort of hard to read. was joe lieberman ever really a democrat? i don't know. but so going around and actually doing these endorsements in 1936, in 1940 and i think in this way that is incredibly outspoken. i mean, he makes this speech in 1936 where he's accusing the new deal and fdr themselves as i mentioned earlier of being communists, socialists. he picks up really the most vitriolic langlanguage. he calls roosevelt a tyrant and he's abusing the constitution and becomes one of the standard bearers of the liberty league which is basically a business-funded -- it's really funded by the dupont family, but a group that begins in the 1930s to attempt to push back the new deal. and it really is a puzzling, puzzling moment in his career. and i think people who have tried to sit there and trace, well, he always had these platforms. he always believed in to attempt to push back the new deal. and it really is a puzzling, puzzling moment in his career. and i think people who have tried to sit there and trace, well, he always had these platforms. he always

the extremes just to make sure that he could live up to his legacy we're going to give senator joe lieberman tonight's tool time award. our guys it's time for happy hour and joining me this evening lauren lyster host of the capital account here on r t and jim hansen retired special operations master sergeant and military blogger of black five dot net thanks for joining. you're going to want to rethink your name now oh i think you're laughing at me ok. one ever not all about me. let me move down by you kind of can i mean this is apparently this came from one of romney's advisers and just just take a listen. and romney adviser told the daily telegraph that romney will strengthen the special relationship between the u.s. and britain because of a shared anglo-saxon heritage that president obama does not understand. shared anglo-saxon heritage that apparently obama doesn't understand and i think that's fair i'm still drama doesn't understand why you know obama is there so you know going to understand especially at first he gave back your chills bust right after he moves in the white house like yo

you have two people who caucus with the democrats, joe lieberman and jim webb who said they will opposeplan, the democratic proposal, if it goes up on the hill. nothing is going to happen. it's getting kicked into after election day. again, everybody's panicked over this. if romney wins, it won't matter. he'll be the one who controls the agenda. if nothing happens before january 1st when he becomes president, everything will be done retroactively. if obama wins he has to make a compromise as he did in 2010 and that will happen at the 11th hour. >> i want to go over the vote. a series of votes are to. harry reid wants a simple majority because it's a budget issue, 50 plus 1 and they could pass there. usually in the senate it takes 60. take one more listen to the senate majority and minority leader today. >> they want to vote on theirs, vote on ours, we'll do it with a simple majority. so i hope republicans don't insist on doing this the hard way. and why are republicans delaying votes they asked for in the first place? >> my guess is democratic leaders won't allow a vote on the president

joining me now is connecticut independent senator, joe lieberman. senator, you have seen a lot of things. there haven't been too many public bill signings in this administration and it was passed earlier in the week, five days later a public signing in the oval office. coincidence? >> purely coincidental, i'm sure. >> right. >> no, there have been public signings pretty regularly, but this is a coincidence of timing but i'm sure it's one that doesn't displease the white house because it does allow the president to say what he did, which i think is true, which is that there has been in the last few years, notwithstanding the political or diplomatic disagreements between israel and the u.s., very strong military and intelligence cooperation and this legislation i think is part of that. >> i want to ask you about your cybersecurity bill which passed a very important procedural hurdle yesterday but first, with mitt romney going to israel and sheldon adelson suggesting he's going to be there and he's going to raise a lot of money to try to drum up suppor

-- >> joe lieberman. >> i guess so he is sort of hard -- was he ever really a democrat? i don't know. but, so going around and actually doing these endorsements in 1936, in 1940, and i think in this way that is incredibly out spoken, is vicious, he makes a speech in 1936, where he is accusing the new deal and fdr themselves of being socialists, and communists, he picks up the worst language, calls roosevelt a tyrant and says he is abusing the constitution and becomes a standard bearer of the liberty league, which is a business funded -- it's funded by the dupont family, but a group that begins in the 1930s to attempt to push back the new deal and it really is a puzzling, puzzling moment in his career. and there are people that tried to sit and trace, he always believed in these platforms and believed in state level power or he had a technicratic view or he had a more limited view of government, i do not think they are answers. i think he went through something specially at that point and that his circle in new york, as he is beginning to be the head of the new york state

there was an assumption that joe lieberman, lindsey graham and i want american boots on the ground.ishment of a a safe zone, providing arms and equipment to the rebels. and the longer it goes on, the more likely islamists do intervene in it. i heard the same argument about libya, about bosnia. we don't know who they are. we can't intervene. we can't change it. by the way, when speaking of bosnia, bob dole and i and a few other republicans stood up supporting president clinton. so the fact, as chuck todd said, maybe republicans aren't supporting us. we are going to do what we think is right. by the way, the republican house, i respect, admire and love them. they passed a resolution saying we shouldn't intervene in libya. look uh how that turned out. >> let's talk about syria's opposition. you are right. you never know exactly who the opposition is. but in this case isn't it even murkier than usual because assad has been a tyrant and his father was a tyrant that you haven't had opposition groups. >> you don't have benghazi, a safe area where we can train and equip. >> where would that

crazy theories that michele bachmann sounds on a weekly basis like the number of countries that joe lieberman has advocated for invading you get the picture i think the people that are privy to classified information they can basically start their own metropolis though it's no surprise of the government engages in all sorts of trickery to keep this growing population from making public outbursts whether it's overclassification an astonishing refusal to recognize what's already out there or even more disturbing the prosecutions are massive security bureaucracies simply can't have people questioning their actions because their budgets depend on it but sadly the courts are playing along. so in light of the ever increasing evidence of the problem of overclassification let's look at yet another development democratic senator and head of the senate intelligence committee dianne feinstein is meeting today to craft legislation to address the leaks of classified information that's after she doubled down this week and said that some of the most recently may not be coming from the president himself but

. >> senator joe lieberman and collins are ranking committees of governmental affairs.n february 2011 the committee issued this report a ticking time bomb on the fort hood attack. >> could the massacre at fort hood be prevented? >> my conclusion after our investigation was that the massacre the fort hood could have been prevented. >> this is not a case where dots had to be connected in order to figure out that we had a serious threat. the dots were already connected. there was just a failure to ask. >> neither the dod nor the fbi had specific information about the attacks they had sufficient information about hasan's radical islamist extremism. they failed to act on it. prorps say as early as 2003 his radical ideology was no secret to his students in the army. >> it was so alarming and radicalized two of the fellow officers described him as a ticking time bomb. >> he did things like repeatedly told classmates and superiors his devotion to shirea law was over the united states constitution. >> there was answer sewed maybe the slide presentation he had that fellow student

that everything should be secret and nobody should know anything when looking away and feinstein joe lieberman mitch mcconnell and john mccain lindsey graham all those clips that we just showed you the thing that's always you know coming out of the mouths of these politicians is that we can weeks has done damage to national security now last week we finally got you know what some people called a little bit of a win for bradley manning's defense in the sense that the judge said that the f.b.i. the cia the state department working as a sions are going to have to hand over these assessment reports to actually say if there was any damage done so let's say that we finally get to see what's in this assessment report let's say that they show as what a lot of officials out there have said that there was no damage done to national security by these politicians going to apologize they're going to swallow their words we're going to what are they going to say at that point. well of course not because you know that's their go to statement whenever any of these leaks come out they said that wiki leaks would

. >> senator joe lieberman and collins are ranking committees of governmental affairs.bruary 2011 the committee issued this report a ticking time bomb on the fort hood attack. >> could the massacre at fort hood be prevented? >> my conclusion after our investigation was that the massacre the fort hood could have been prevented. >> this is not a case where dots had to be connected in order to figure out that we had a serious threat. the dots were already connected. there was just a failure to ask. >> neither the dod nor the fbi had specific information about the attacks they had sufficient information about hasan's radical islamist extremism. they failed to act on it. prorps say as early as 2003 his radical ideology was no secret to his students in the army. >> it was so alarming and radicalized two of the fellow officers described him as a ticking time bomb. >> he did things like repeatedly told classmates and superiors his devotion to shirea law was over the united states constitution. >> there was answer sewed maybe the slide presentation he had that fellow students we

. >> one independent senator identified as an independent, joe lieberman said this afternoon some commentssaying, nobody wants to take this on because, quote, the gun lobby is that strong. >> the problem for lieberman is the gun lobby is the majority of the american people. the reason it's strong is because it represents overwhelming opinion in the united states. how do we know that? the president of the united states, who had a tremendous opening if he wanted to push the use of guns after a tragedy of this magnitude could have done it and he stayed away because it's a losing proposition. liberals want gun control, democrats don't. they normally overlap but not on this. democrats won't go near it because of the experience as we heard earlier, 1994, and they don't want to repeat that again. we're at the height of an election and they won't go near it. you're going to have discussion on talk shows and none in congress and nothing will happen in election. >> something else he mentioned was buying ammunition over the internet. he says it worries him because if that amount of ammunition is bein

i want to tell you, i researched this and senators james web who is a democrat and joe lieberman who is an independent but caucuses as a democrat, they are against this. they say they will not support these tax increases or as the president is saying tax cuts. >> if we keep the tax cuts for everyone, it is an increase. it is just less of an increase of the and senator gillebrand is at the center of the pack. she doesn't agree with senator schumer who in my fire fight or teacher from new york city he would want to include them. but even he is in favor of tax relief on-the-job creators. she would soak the middle class to boot. >> so both new york senators you are saying are moving in a direction that could be dangerous? >> they are both in favor of tax increases. schumer is not as bad as gillebrand is. >> that comes at a cost, and you say it would be a jobs killer. what do you base that on? >> you do not raise taxes in a recession. or when you have a slow economy whether the economists call it a recession or not, barack obama himself said that in 2010 when he approved keeping the curre

joe lieberman will be among those voting.r, on this measure, more to the point about everyone seeing the bush rate extended but the very rich. how do you feel about that? how will you vote? >>guest: i will vote against both of the proposals because, to me, they are exactly what you said at going, symbolic votes that are a waste of time. they are either partial political nit-picking or posturing or kicking the can down the road. what the economy needs from congress is a long-term, bipartisan debt reduction plan that will give the business community the confidence to invest the trillions of dollars we need invested to create jobs. i am voting "no" on both. >>neil: i want to get into details but first the big picture. do you feel now is the time to raise taxes on anyone? >>guest: no. and that's one reason why i'm voting against the democratic proposal which would effectively raise taxes on people making over $250,000. that includes a lot of small businesses. it's also a very partial answer to a much bigger problem. frankly, when

well i mean -- >> if i was out there 12 years ago in the first campaign in 2000, in the debate joe liebermant of millions on live television and laid out my circumstance then, hasn't changed, no i've addressed it and moved on. >> how was mary's wedding? >> i'm sure it was fine. we wished them well she wanted to avoid having it be a media circus or having it become part of the political debate. so lynn and i were very proud and happy and congratulated them, they've been an important part of the family for a long time. >> reporter: one of the most controversial vice president ever he told us he's at peace with his legacy. >> i'm comfortable with what i did, why and how i did it, i'll let others judge whether i like -- whether they liked it or not >> reporter: do you have any regrets? >> not real lip. >> reporter: he's back -- he told me he won't be attending the republican convention in august. he will be going fishing instead. jonathan karl, abc news, washington. >>> a new york fifth grade getting national attention after his school banned him from giving a speech about same-sex marriage. he

joe lieberman and john kyle are big name senators headed for retirement and the primary fights to decidea could replace them in the month of august. early voting under way in texas where that race was not supposed to be that close. lost by double-digits to the governor in the senate primary in may. they fell short of the 50% mark to avoid a run off. cruise has been cruising and held a slide lead, but it doesn't stop there. texas will be followed by a primary in missouri. clair mcclassic il and hawaii picks a democrat to fill akak a's shoes. wisconsin's republicans and the race for them and august ends with the race to fill john kyl's seat. still unclear who the nominee will be in that state. we have the editor in chief and gentlemen, welcome to you both. busy august all because of the voting issue. everything got moved up. august is a bigger primary month. let's start with texas. the winner of this run off will be the next united states senator. that is say fact. i am surprised david is still in the race. it's a fighter's chance considering how it's a low turn out. conservatives could do

joe lieberman will be among those voting. senator, on this measure, more to the point about everyone seeing the bush rate extended but the very rich. how do you feel about that? how will you vote? >>guest: i will vote against both of the proposals because, to me, they are exactly what you said at going, symbolic votes that are a waste of time. they are either partial political nit-picking or posturing or kicking the can down the road. what the economy needs from congress is a long-term, bipartisan debt reduction plan that will give the business community the confidence to invest the trillions of dollars we need invested to create jobs. i am voting "no" on both. >>neil: i want to get into details but first the big picture. do you feel now is the time to raise taxes on anyone? >>guest: no. and that's one reason why i'm voting against the democratic proposal which would effectively raise taxes on people making over $250,000. that includes a lot of small businesses. it's also a very partial answer to a much bigger problem. frankl

the first jewish candidate on a major party ticket, joe lieberman, democrat. even the first woman candidate, 24 years before republicans got around to breaking the same glass ceiling, there was geraldine ferraro in 1984. she ran alongside walter mondale against ronald reagan and george bush the elder, and walter mondale and geraldine ferraro got crushed. they lost that election by an enormous margin. they lost 49 states. this is what the electoral map looked like in 1984. just a sea of red. and now, what is mostly forgotten to history about that election in which geraldine ferraro did not become the first woman vice president. what is largely forgotten about that election is a tax return scandal which among other things showed that geraldine ferraro and her husband owed more than $50,000 in back taxes. turned up on their tax returns. they blamed it on an error blamed by an accountant. they paid off the back taxes, although the geraldine ferraro financial mess was a fascinating little election jeer scandal, it does not tend to be cited as a key factor in the sp

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that means you have ben nelson and joe lieberman voting with the democrats still there. a guy like tester and he gets re-elected. does he vote for anything that could be perceived as a tax hike? you deal with these people in the senate on the democratic side so the logic works for them, too. >> there are democratic senators who learned this lesson the last time around, if we let it go to the last minute and don't get a deal and we let them know it's okay to not get a deal, the republicans see they're in an impossible position in january. >> it's a game of chicken. if they show we're willing to go off the cliff. you have a stronger bargaining position, but as you say you give a lot of conservative democrats in red or purple states and republicans who signed onto this grover norquist pledge, you give them an out. that makes sense. >> steve, the great thing politically and i thought i'd say this about a democratic candidate for president in talking about taxes is you get always to bring it back to mitt romney's tax returns, especially the ones we have not seen. >> right. i

to pick a pro-choice candidate as a vp when, say, for example, john mccain who wanted to pick joe liebermanhere's anyway. >> okay. ken, mitt isn't picking her any more than he's picking chris christie. this is a smoke screen and as you know, the bain attacks have hit and hurt him badly. how about we throw out some talk about a vice president. distract attention. >> if that was the intended effect to some extent it has been successful. you're right in looking at the sourcing of this. the drudge report. the romney campaign does have kind of a pathway, direct pathway to the drudge report through matt rowe the top official in the campaign who had a relationship with drudge back when he was the research director to theroom national committee and went down to miami and introduced himself and established this relationship and the drudge report, which is very influential in driving the media cycle, not just the conservative media, has taken a rather favorable approach towards mitt romney from through the republican primary until today. so in this case, the drudge report floating ms. condi, vp rumor

with two democrat, joe lieberman and jim webb opposing. the republicans' plan failed. the vice president was there himself in the big chair in case he needed a break a tie. on the surface, this may look like a big win for the president and his party. but before breaking out the champagne, here's a reality check. this is all just political theater. no real legislation that will affect you or me came out of capitol hill today. and every member of this kabuki congress knew it. instead, we're still playing chicken with the fiscal cliff. tax cuts expiring for everyone automatically. now, the cbo says if congress let this is happen, economic growth could contract by 1.3% during the first half of 2013. but the agency said would probably be judged a recession. our economy is only projected to grow between 2.% and 2.8% next year. not only are we speeding towards that fiscal cliff, we're wasting money with all this mindless bickering. this week, we actually learned the cost of all this sandbox politics. $1.3 billion. the government accountability office calculated the cost of la

you have john mccain and lindsey graham and joe lieberman. they're totally for the bush administration freedom agenda. let's take syria, for example. they want to bomb today. that's their stated public position. that's putting your money where your mouth is, right? then you have another section of the republican party that says the public is war weary. there's no way we're going to go into another entanglement in the middle east. we support the freedom agenda, but we're not going to sacrifice american blood and treasure to make it happen. mitt romney is trying to traddal the fence. he's trying to have it both ways. he doesn't see a reason to alienate the party and he's not being forced to specify what implementation the agenda means. as we get closer and closer to the election, my hope, my clebef is he's going to be compelled to tell us what he's thinking, what he would do if he were elected. >> i want to ask you about the politics of this. this foreign policy question, has really been a sweet spot for president obama politically. obviously,

the democrats lost two of their numbers, joe lieberman and jim webb, both retiring senators -- >> ifill: lieberman an independent who votes with the democrats. >> you're right. he's a democrat, he votes with them. but interestingly not for political considerations because they're both leaving. neither of these gentlemen has to worry about reelection. >> ifill: but jim webb still represents a state that is in a very tight race where the democrat he hopes will succeed him probably wouldn't want that hanging around. >> jim webb volted no on both proposals, the republicans and democrat, because of the earned income tax credit which is not extended in the republican provision. he really cares about that. it hits a lot of middle-income people. this isn't just about marginal rates, your income taxes. there are others mixed in, earned income tax credit, tax deductions for college tuition, estate tax if you're wealthy-- all of those things are sort of in the mix now. >> ifill: the congressional budget office, julie, to bring you into this, they said because of the affordable care act, because of

you have john mccain and lindsey graham and joe lieberman.hey're totally for the bush administration freedom agenda. let's take syria, for example. they want to bomb today. that's their stated public position. that's putting your money where your mouth is, right? then you have another section of the republican party that says the public is war weary. there's no way we're going to go into another entanglement in the middle east. we support the freedom agenda, but we're not going to sacrifice american blood and treasure to make it happen. mitt romney is trying to straddle the fence here. he's trying to have it both ways. he doesn't see a reason to alienate the party and he's not being forced to specify what implementation the agenda means. as we get closer and closer to the election, my hope, my belief is he's going to be compelled to tell us what he's thinking, what he would do if he were elected. >> i want to ask you about the politics of this. this foreign policy question, has really been a sweet spot for president obama politically. obvious