marshall from the attacks that senator joe mccarthy, marshall was the mentor of eisenhower. when he failed to stand up to joe mccarthy, that bothered my father, but that's all. >> you write in the book: the black book's lessons are about reason, the good fight. life is a learning experience. the human spirit, human family, abhorrence of absolutism and dogma, it is a metaphor, but its values have been better exemplified in other countries recently. and far from the u.s. senate in which i once proudly served. there's an overriding sense in this book that america's greatness is past. >> well, i hope that's not the case. the black book abounds with optimism and confidence, but as i indicated earlier, i share the anxiety and the concern of many americans and many people the world over. um, we have our first -- to speak of the military industrial complex -- our first standing professional military. we're waging war with mercenaries, with contractors, invading countries like iran and afghanistan, taking the bait. i don't hear the -- i'm trying to talk about reason. the founders were