joe biden and kamala harris, talking about someone's record, someone who is on the wrong side of history when you're talking about diametrically opposed to jesse jackson. diametrically opposed to ed brook and thurgood marshall in the issue of busing. i think it's relevant. but you've got to pivot and move forward. and one of the things we're talking about, while we're having this agenda, and this conversation about black voters and while we're having this conversation about what's superficial, i hope all 23, 24, 35 candidates, however many are still there, actually put forth an agenda to uplift the american people, uplift african-americans in particular. and focus on having this black agenda, amongst other issues. i think senator harris is well-positioned to do that. and i think after all of this is being said, they would not be doing this, and this comes from don jr. and others, if they were not afraid of kamala harris. that just shows you she's electable, and some people on the right side are shaking in their boots. >> she did well after that last debate. let me jump in. she did well after the last databas debate, and i think because of that she has a much bigger target on her back. i think a lot of it ha