it actually moved in 1989 to appleton, wisconsin, the hometown and final resting place of joe mccarthy, who so many in the birch society revered, continuing the work of joe mccarthy in some respect. >> tell me about the original members of the john birch society. who did it attracted? prof. mulloy: rep. welch personally founded it in 1958. he was a former board member of the national association of manufacturers, and he invited people to create this new conservative group. it tended to be businessmen, x military officers, intellectuals. for example, lawrence bunker, the former aide to douglas macarthur. the founder is one of the richest men in canada, and the father of charles and david koch. the ordinary members were basically ordinary conservative americans, as well-educated as anybody else. relatively young, 44 was the median age. they were people concerned about getting the government off the backs of the american people. that was one of the animated concerns of ordinary birch men. >> how would you describe the society's platform. prof. mulloy: more broadly, they wanted to turn bac

, who so many in the birch society revered, continuing the work of joe mccarthy in some respect.o, yes, they still exist. >> tell me about the original members of the john birch society. who did it attract? prof. mulloy: rep. welch personally founded it in 1958. he was a retired candy manufacturer, a former board member of the national association of manufacturers, and he invited people to create this new conservative group. it tended to be businessmen, ex-military officers, intellectuals. for example, lawrence bunker, the former aide to douglas macarthur. and most well-known is fred coke -- fred koch. the founder is one of the richest men in canada, and the father of charles and david koch. the ordinary members were basically ordinary conservative americans, as well-educated as anybody else. relatively young, 44 was the median age. they were people concerned about what a later generation would say -- getting the government off the backs of the american people. that was one of the animating concerns of ordinary birch men. >> how would you describe the society's platform? prof. mu

this is a joe mccarthy moment, people will be judged by where they stood at this time.se that walked with trump will be tainted forever after for the degradation of standards and slaughter, unquote. do you see it that way? >> i am not looking at it like that. i don't think it is right to think about 2017 and beyond. i am focused on 2016. i want 2016 in congress to be successful where we tackle the country's big challenges and get the country back on track. i am focused on here and now, not tomorrow. frankly as a conservative, as lifelong conservative who shared these values all my life, i want to see our party unify and see the standard bearer celebrate the principles of our party, apply them to problems, appeal to all americans, and run a principles solutions based campaign we can be proud of. i do believe there's work needs to be done for that to happen. that's the point i'm trying to make. i am not worried about what's after this election. this election now is the one to focus on. >> just to be clear, sir, i hate to be that guy, you hate it when we ask this question,

in aers said to buckley letter around that time, that morris really accomplished most of what joe mccarthy is credited with, in terms of useful -- useful and constructive anti-communist activities. the number two lawyer on the committee. and believedthy, he is been unfairly railroaded by the liberal establishment. ofy much along the lines what stan evans later argued in "blacklisted by history." rusher before he was part of "national review'was part of a of very hard and professional anti-communists. really got himat into the conservative movement. that is what caused him to transition from generic includednism, which what i describe as a "just win, baby," attitude. and there is a lot that can be said for that. of being willing to lose even a presidential election, if it was a constructive sort of lost that one could take pride in, ala goldwater 1964. one that would plant seeds for the future. was not thinking that way, it was just, win baby. there were similarities, in the 1948 campaign, there are similarities to the other campaign on our side and the other side. rusher sees that. eisenho

then he had to go against joe mccarthy, which is ken -- which you can imagine was pretty devastating. he is very upset and he is struggling for a few years and in the end, he commits suicide. yes, so it is a very sad story. >> i used to live in washington, d.c. and [indiscernible] the house which president obama oft this week has kind dedicated the belmont paul house there and i just wondered, i haven't been to wisconsin for a couple of years, but i am curious, do you have any comments to add about the allisonship between paul and her efforts and belle la follette? ms. unger: i am delighted to comment on any tidbits between allison paul and belle la follette because they are fascinating. know, gotul, as you her suffrage training in britain. she shouted out a politicians to get arrested and they were force-feeding her and she really believed that this was the way to go. you had to get attention, you had to get headlines. so polite.llette was she doesn't approve of this method. but then she says every day she is going to congress to, you know, sit in the gallery, sit in the gallery to l

senator joe mccarthy famously conducted hearings here in this room. water gate was famously conducted in this room, the vietnam hearings conducted by the senate foreign relations committee in 1966-1967 were done in this room. it's a beautiful space. it's a space that is impressive for a number of reasons. but also just historically and institutionally it has been the site of some of the most important investigations in the senate's past. and i think that the fact that they had the church committee hearings in this room suggests they knew there would be a large crowd, the media would want to attend and they would need space for them. i think it was intentionally a site that drew references to earlier very responsible investigations because one of the challenges that the church committee had to overcome was the criticism that investigating the national intelligence community in the public and exposing to the public some of the activities of the intelligence community which by the very nature classified or secret will be exposing the intelligence communi

supposed to go back to wisconsin and do some campaigning, but he doesn't and he is defeated by joe mccarthy. which, as you can imagine, is pretty devastating for our great progressives. his health is impaired, and he talks about how he let his father down, and he's very upset. he struggles for a few years, and in the end he is a suicide. it's a very sad story. i used to live in washington, d c. the supreme court is near the house which president obama just the belmontdicated, paul house there. i just wondered, and i also used to live in wisconsin for a couple years, so i'm curious, do you have any tidbits to add about the relationship between alice paul and her efforts and ms. la follette? ms. unger: i am delighted to comment on the relationship between belle la follette and alice paul. alice paul, she was an american but she got her suffrage training in britain, shouting out at politicians and getting arrested. they were force-feeding her, and so forth. she really believed this was the way to go. you had to get attention. you have to get headlines. and belle is so polite. she doesn't appro

this is a joe mccarthy moment, people will be judged by where they stood at this time.t walked with trump will be tainted forever after for the degrad agency of standards and slaughter, unquote. do you see it that way? >> i am not looking at it like that. i don't think it is right to think about 2017 and beyond. i am focused on 2016. i want 2016 in congress to be successful where we tackle the country's big challenges and get the country back on track. i am focused on here and now, not tomorrow. frankly as a conservative, as lifelong conservative who shared these values all my life, i want to see our party unify and see the standard bearer celebrate the principles of our party, apply them to problems, appeal to all americans, and run a principles solutions based campaign we can be proud of. i do believe there's work needs to be done for that to happen. that's the point i'm trying to make. i am not worried about what's after this election. this election now is the one to focus on. >> just to be clear, sir, i hate to be that guy, you hate it when we ask this question, you

it straight out of joe mccarthy play book. >> how do you think it's going to come back to haunt him?ng comments like this for month. >> so personal, so far below the belt. i think will are a lot of people might say i will support you but clean. your act. this is the most serious office in the world and you either be an adult and we'll go with you or be a child and we're going have these temper tantrums which have no place in our politics. >> to david's point, there's incoming through paul manafort in the trump campaign saying if he wins tonight, if he wins decisively tonight, speak to the country about the general election, speak to the country about hillary clinton, speak to the republican party about unity. that's what they want from donald trump. they want him to stand, like secretary clinton did last week, say i'm the presumptive nominee, speak to the country about the general election. will he do that? >> gloria. >> lyin' ted cruz and hillary clinton and we're going to have to see if the never trump movement now kind of shuts down and becomes the probably trump movement and star

have ever seen a major political figure do in a very long time -- i was too young to remember joe mccarthymp raising the issue again of vince foster. kenneth starr made it clear there was a suicide, there was no involvement by the clintons. i worked closely at the time and goat a a poignant answer from the foster family. that goes beyond that. i say on the show they're talking about whitewater. ken e9 starr studied whitewears. the republicans study it for eight years in office and for six years in a rep-controlled congress. they concluded there was nothing about whitewater. all of those accusations from the '90s were substantially, totally repudiated, but for trump to bring up vincent foster, that is a despicable effort to try to introduce a personal tragedy in the face of contrary findings by everybody, is outrageous. i know elizabeth is as outraged by that, and getting back to the central point. if there was any reason to doubt hillary clinton's passion for effective financial reform, you wouldn't see her as firmly committed to making sure she's the nominee. with donald trump having said

comment about john mccain way back last spring or summer where a lot of us assumed, well, that's the joe mccarthy moment. he's doomed. there's something. and this is what i said earlier. there's something about how trump supporters respond to this where the question has been asked is, what would it take for them to say, gee, maybe i'm wrong. we may be in a situation that has changed every rule about how we think the press works and what the impact the press coverage -- i mean, critical press coverage, is. >> do you think the rules were, in effect, so to speak, in 2008, or were the rules never really in effect at all? oh, that's going to ruin mitt romney, that's going to hurt jan mccain, that's going to ruin barack obama. were they never rules a the all, jeff? >> that's the point. in the past, critical stories have had critical impact. so this notion that donald trump has got $1.9 billion of free publicity, in my view, is way off the mark. a lot of the coverage, even early, was highly critical, the kind of coverage that would have upended any other campaign. one of the questions that 500 media con

organization, fred trump, hired fred: as his lawyer, the legendary gut bucket puncher who had been joe mccarthy's lawyer and he came up with a sort of defense and talking point and that was pretty extraordinary in itself. he said, we are not trying to keep black people out of these apartments, we're trying to keep welfare recipients out of these apartments. this was his defense. this was the best case scenario. donald trump by that time was being interviewed and he told "the new york times" i believe it was, he never even heard of the 1968 civil rights act, which is the controlling legislation for anyone who wants to build housing. quite a stunning performance. really kind of sets the tone of a guy -- and talking about his son now -- who sees african-americans as predators, basically. polluters. so in february, donald trump came under criticism for wavering on whether or not he wanted the support of the former kkk leader david duke. speaking on cnn with jake tapper, trump refused to disavow duke's support or the support of other white supremacists. >> just so you understand, i don't know anything

senator joe mccarthy famously conducted some of his hearings here in this room. watergate was famously conducted in this room. the vietnam hearings conducted by the senate foreign relations committee in --1966 were done in this room. it is a beautiful space. it's a space that is impressive for a number of reasons. but historically and institutionally, it has been the site of some of the most important investigations in the senate passed. -- senate's past. this suggests that they knew there would be a large crowd, [laughter] that the media would want to attend and they would need them. it was intentionally a site that drew references to earlier investigations. one of the challenges the church committee had to overcome was the criticism that investigating the national intelligence community in the public, and exposing to the public some of their activity, will be exposing the intelligence community and thereby weakening it. by having the hearings in this room, the senators meant to draw upon that institutional respect that people have for responsible investigations

this is like a joe mccarthy moment. >> what's your response, congressman? >> i would say to peter, look at the democratic party and the divide. can hillary beat bernie? >> congressman, can i get you to respond to specifically what peter just said about your candidate, donald trump? >> well, i think peter is out of touch with the american voters. we had a primary process. there were 17 candidates. this is who the american people chose state after state, donald trump is winning. he's picking up momentum. he was less behind in the polls than ronald reagan was against jimmy carter at the same time. now there's a poll today where hillary and donald are about the same. >> you're not responding to any of the specific descriptions peter just gave of donald trump. you're talking about voter totals and that, but peter made some specific statements about donald trump, the man, the human being, the character, the lack of character. >> peter gave his opinion. i don't know if you want me to respond with his opinions. i disagree. i sat down with donald trump in a meeting

because of the way we thought about the communist threat and the experience of joe mccarthy and the scare tactics that took place with respect to communism, and people's fear that they never wanted to be on the wrong side and making sure we were tough enough about that, that, therefore, when threats of the entire asia domino theory were thrown at people, there was a bias towards accepting that notion rather than thinking about the history of vietnam or ho chi minh. mr. burns: seeing it as national liberation -- secretary kerry: and understanding the civil nature. i think those three things -- there are a lot more lessons. you can take the power doctrine, you can lunge through a litany of lessons. mr. burns: you are on the diplomatic side now. obviously, that is intricately tied with military considerations. we tend to, as we made the film in vietnam, relies -- realize we were hearing echoes ahead to afghanistan, iraq, syria today. they are not mentioned, but they bubble up. what has been is now. it occurs to me that we have to look at this through the angle of perpetual war. the military-

senator joe mccarthy famously conducted hearings here in this room. water gate was famously conducted in this room, the vietnam hearings conducted by the senate foreign relations committee in 1966-1967 were done in this room. it's a beautiful space. it's a space that is impressive for a number of reasons. but also just historically and institutionally it has been the site of some of the most important investigations in the senate's past. and i think that the fact that they had the church committee hearings in this room suggests they knew there would be a l

it's a story out of joe mccarthy's play book, for that i think there are a lot of republicans who willnald trump may win but they are cringing what happen kind of person are we nominating to be president of the news he seems self-destructive at times. >> after weeks of talking being presidential and stuff like that. >> yeah, sort of talking about it but never really doing it. maybe in one press conference or two he gave foreign policy speech but that approach never really struck and it's partly because he's done well, right? he's levelled the field of 16, 15, so candidates. he's riding high. leading cruz almost by double in terms of the delegate count. so what is the sort of why should he change at this point? it was let trump be trump. corey lewandowski's phrase, one of his aides, and now that's what he's doing. i think it gives a preview of what the general election campaign is going to be like, right. >> we've seen from donald trump he is embracing conspiracy theories before. the birtherism in 2012. we'll see a lot of stories in the nation"national enquirer" g forward about hillary

mirroring the bullying behavior of joe mccarthy, they're demanding that universities and clinics name names of researchers, graduate students, lab technicians, clinic personnel and doctors. when doctor jerry -- when democrat -- when democrat jerry nadler asked chair blackburn to explain why she needs to amass this database of names, she responded, no, sir. i am not going to do that. number six, the select panel threatens innocent lives. republicans are putting researchers and doctors at risk by publicly naming them as targets of their investigation and creating a database of names. on may 11, republicans issued a press release publicly naming a physician who had already been the target and the subject of violence by anti-abortion extremists. that physician was never contacted to voluntarily provide information before he received a subpoena. number seven, the select panel is dangerous. republicans are refusing to protect confidentiality despite known risks and tragedies, such as the murder of three people at the colorado springs planned parenthood women's health clinic. that murderer e

. >> anthony and joe russ so it'so kevin mccarthy here um so bum us i'm not there in studio today ttdon but i'm rocking out my captain america tie bar,e of course, i've seen the filmhel twice now.tw. i'm going for third time one sunday night at the bfii max the 17 minute airport action scenein is one of the greatest action at scenes i've ever seen in my my entire life. i had epic amounts of nerd teara while watching that.whilwa two quick questions for you gu guys. joe russo, you have a cameo inac this film and you hulls a cameo in the winter soldier.oldi talk about your cameo in bothn films and how that came aboutebt and also the 17 minute action at scene for anthony and joe, how j long does it take to you shootho that scene and edit that scene?? >> all right. r great questions from kevin.in. >> yes.>>es. >> exactly. >> take the -- >> w business we did a very small credit card movie oy played a pe part in that film. and i had to give up acting inin order to pursue direct focus ono one craft. so occasionally i will find an interesting role to take in onee of the movies, andnd coincide