probably joe mccarthy -- >> i don't know that story, sir. cspan: julie, largo, florida, julie, your question or comment forno chris matthews. >> caller: hello. hey, chris. >> hi. >> caller: hey, i haven't gotten your book yet. i reread arthur schlessinger's journals. all the personal interactions they had. >> i love that book. >> caller: , yeah, it really brought back that history. i lived through it same time you did. listen i know it is kind of a hypothetical, what do youis thik the difference in this country if bobby had not been assassinated? would we have a voice -- >> i think his brother, oh i think so. i think this would have happened, if he had been elected, if he had been elected, let me tell you we wouldn't have nixon of course by definition. bobby was going to end that war. if you go to washington or have relatives who were killed in that war, half the people in that war were killed after '69, from '69 january. so clearly that would have been one result. i also think that as the war went on from '69 to 73 this country was very div

all the time he was risking his brother's political career, he didn't want to be friend of joe mccarthy entering the' 60 election because mccarthy was out of favor with the country. he was at the national airport with his daughter kathleen, a friend of mine daughter and friend of my wife even more. she was six years old, with daddy, that is how she talks of course, withh daddy. daddy gets the word over the car radio that joe mccarthy drank himself to death. he was at bethesda naval hospital. he was so overwrought by this, that he drove around the airport three times. then when it came time to bury mccart think, by the way 70 senators showed up for his service at the capitol. four of them went off to appleton, wisconsin. bobby snuck along on the plane. when he got there got a ride with the reporter, but begged him to say he was never there. he went s to the funeral site, watched from the car as they buried mccarthy. he didn't want anybody to see him there. politicians are not like this. politicians are for show, most of them. he had a character because he did things he thought was import

he was able to prove that joe mccarthy was wrong.was wrong that there were more communist in the u.s. government than joe mccarthy said. stan evans proves that in "blacklisted by history." i met joe mccarthy to my father, he was something of a confidant to him. he was a hail fellow well met. he liked to party and like to drink or two. didn't talkas you communism, he was fun. he was also someone who did not ticket price for a well. he consequently said things, and even did things that hurt the cause of anti-communism for some time. i would certainly not pick him a someone to lead the movement, but he made a contribution in challenging the idea that, were there communists in the government? there certainly were. brian: long-time chicago tribune reporter, your father. i want to read back to what you wrote and get you to explain this. why is it that liberals insist that a conservative historian cannot write an object to book about conservatism, but nether -- never question whether a liberal historian can write an objective book about lib

using fbi files was able to prove that joe mccarthy was wrong.was wrong that there were more communist in the u.s. government than joe mccarthy said. stan evans proves that in "blacklisted by history." i met joe mccarthy through my father, who was something of a confidant to him. he liked to party and liked a drink or two. as long as you didn't talk about communism, he was fun. he was also someone who did not take advice very well. he consequently said things and even did things that hurt the cause of anti-communism for some time. i would certainly not pick him a -- pick a mess someone -- pick him as someone to lead the movement, but he made a contribution in challenging the idea that, were there, and is in the government, there certainly were. host: a long time "chicago tribune" reporter, your father. i want to read back to what you wrote and get you to explain this. why is it that liberals insist that a conservative historian cannot write an object to book about conservatism, but never question whether a liberal historian can write an objective

. >> i met joe mccarthy through my father, who was something of a confidante to him. he was a fellow who liked to party and a drink or two. as long as you didn't talk about co communism, you couldn't ask for a more fun guy to be with. he was very serious about that. he was also someone who did not take advice very well and he consequently said things and even did things that hurt the cause of anti-communism for some time. >> q&a, sunday night at 8:00 eastern on c-span. >>> this weekend on american history tv on c-span3, saturday at 8:00 p.m. eastern on lectures in history, american university professor aaron bell talks about privacy laws and surveillance of civil rights leaders. >> the head of operations, william sullivan, shortly after the march on washington and mart martin luther king jr.'s, i have a dream speech. we must mark king as the most dangerous negro in this nation and communism and national security. >>> reflecting on lessons learned and ignored during the war. >> we learned the limits of military power during the vietnam war. we learned that as a society

. >> i met joe mccarthy through my father, who was a confidant to him.et, he liked to party, you'd like a drink or two. as long as you didn't talk about communism, you couldn't ask for a more fundi to be with. he was very serious about that. he was also someone who didn't take advice well. he consequently said things and did things that hurt the cause of anti-communism for some time. >> tonight at 8:00 eastern on c-span. american history tv is on c-span3 every weekend, featuring museum tours, archival films, and programs on the presidency, the civil war, and more. here is a clip from a recent program. >> we are here in the east landing. this is where visitors would begin their white house tour of the holiday decoration. that's where you will see one of the first of approximately 40 trees in the white house this holiday season. mrs. bush chose home for the holidays as this year's theme. throughout the house, you see on homes of past presidents tables and firemen. throughout the house. -- fire mantles throughout the house. ♪ >> you can watch this and other

>> i met joe mccarthy through my father who was something of the confidant to him, and he was a fellow well met. picky like to party. he liked a drink or two. and as long as you talk about communism you could ask for a more fun guy to be with. but usually serious about that. he was also someone who did not take advice very well. he consequently said things and even did things that hurt the cause of anti-communism for some time. >> q&a sunday night at eight eastern on c-span. >> senator mark warner vice chair of intelligence committee came to the senate floor to discuss the investigation into russian interference in the 2016 elections. he said special counsel robert mueller must be allowed to continue his investigation without interference from the white house. this is ten minutes. >> mr. president, i rise today concerned about the threats to special counsels critical investigation of russian interference in the 2016 election. over the last several weeks a growing chorus of irresponsible and reckless voices have call for president trump to shut down special counsel mueller's investigati

they were not voting for joe mccarthy. i happen to be the recipient of the vote, and i certainly appreciate it a great deal. coine other side of that is you were the recipient of all the protest vote in wisconsin. that would be against the failures of the administration. senator mccarthy: that may well be. >> senator, i wanted to ask you about mccarthyism. am i right supposing that the first one to use that word was owen lattimore? >> i think it was first used by lattimore or the daily worker. communists gathered in new york to decide how they would fight mccarthy and they coined the term mccarthyism. as to the date of that, i frankly don't know. >> that is the argument, you see. either the daily workers publication or the lattimore testimony was the first time it was used. >> or the testimony by howard rushmore. and coinedunists met the phrase mccarthyism. >> i want to ask you about the congressional testimony about the institute of pacific relations. this was about a year ago, and it was a letter written by a secretary o

. >> i met joe mccarthy through my father, something of a confidante to him. and he was a fellow well-met. he liked to party. he liked a drink or two. and as long as you didn't talk about consume communism, you couldn't ask for a more fun guy to be with. but he was very serious about that. and he was also someone who did not take advice very well. and he consequently said things and even did things that hurt the cause of anti communism for some time. >> "q & a" sunday night at 8:00 eastern on c-span. >> there's more american history tv coming up next with father and son historians, paul bew and john bew. they give talks on ireland and his influence on clemmen atly who served as british prime minister from the 1940s to 1951. from new york city, this is about 45 minutes. >>> good morning, everybody.

. >> i met joe mccarthy through my father who was something of a confidant to him. he was a fellow well met. he liked to party. he liked a drink or two. and as long as you didn't talk about communism, you couldn't ask for a more fun guy to be with. but he was very serious about that. he was also someone who did not take advice very well. and he subsequently said things and even did things that hurt the cause of any communism for

to have these radical elements a more moderate faction and prescott bush went up against joe mccarthy. dwight eisenhower had great faith. with those vice presidential candidates. so with that aspiration of prescott bush. but he was extraordinarily moderate by today's republican standards. he was president of the planned parenthood chapter in his hometown in connecticut. so a moderate force when george h.w. throws his hat into the ring it is for commencement -- commissioner and is battling the berkshires who is extraordinarily radical. and they don't want the establishment republican especially from the northeast to tell them how to run things. george h.w. achieves the office and invites them in with the spirit of inclusion and to unite them. and it is very emblematic. >> there is another extraordinary gesture and moment the fair housing act and the letters from the district they don't want to support the fair housing act to say it is a character testing moment and he does what he thinks is right. that is a key moment and the character you don't see. there is an allergy. >> it was an a

. >> i met joe mccarthy through my father, who was something of a confidante to him. and he was a hail fellow well met. he liked to party. he liked to drink or two. and as long as you didn't talk about communism, you couldn't ask for a more fun guy to be with. but he's very serious about that, and he was also someone who did not take advice very well. and he consequently said things and even did things that hurt the cause of anti-communism for some time. >> q&a, sunday night at 8:00 eastern on c-span. >> american history tv continues now here on c-span3. over the next few hours, we'll focus on the life and career of winston churchill, who served as british prime minister in world war ii and the early cold war. >> president franklin d. roosevelt proclaimed a national day of prayer for january 1st, 1942, following the japanese attack on pearl harbor. fdr and british prime minister winston churchill worshipped that day in george washington's hometown church. american history tv visited christ church in alexandria, virginia, to hear the story. >> hi. i'm john watson. of t

you could sneak up on somebody and surprise them the way that joe mccarthy obviously was. and so this was a lesson that he took, he said, from abilene. and i found some other evidence of that. and i think again another wonderful item from our holdings. and this is message from george c. marshal to was a supreme commander and you can see that it is formally classified secret. this is at a time in the war when a relationship with russia which had not ever been quite warm and fuzzy was now becoming cold and prickly and the cold war was beginning to start and marshall said that you need to deal with stalin, you need to meet his main street style. knowing that ike was from that part of the country he used it. i i found it interesting that it shows up in his military career as well as the political speech that he wrote. but i had my doubts, and one reason they had my doubts is that because one reason that he had that speech is that if you don't know who wild bill hickock then you need to read more of the west. he didn't say you should read your history more. some historians stil

. >> i met joe mccarthy through my father who was something of a confidant to him. he was a fellow well met. he liked to party. he liked a drink or two. and as long as you didn't talk about communism, you couldn't ask for a more fun guy to be with. but he was very serious about that. he was also someone who did not take advice very well. and he subsequently said things and even did things that hurt the cause of any communism for some time. >> q&a, sunday night at 8:00 eastern on cspan. >>> our focus on the american cowboy continues next with timothy reeves, the deputy director of the dwight eisenhower presidential library. he'll talk about how the 34th president's western upbringing influenced his code of behavior and his actions as a military and political leader. >>> we are pleased to have our own tim reeves here. he is our deputy director and our supervisory achivist. he is my go-to guy for national archives and records administration related questions. i rely on him greatly. but he is here to speak to you today about the western influences on our beloved preside

. >> i met joe mccarthy through my father, who was something of a confidant to him, and he was a hail fellow well met. he liked to party. he liked a drink or two. and as long as you didn't talk about communism, you couldn't ask for a more fun guy to be with. but he's very serious about that. and he was also someone who did not take advice very well. and he consequently said things and even did things that hurt the cause of anti-communism for some time. >> "q&a," sunday night at 8:00 eastern on c-span. >>> tonight, american history tv is in prime time here on c-span 3. over the next few hours we'll focus on the life and career of winston churchill, who served as british prime minister in world war ii and the early cold war. >>> coming up next on "american history tv," we'll hear from british house lords member michael dobbs, creator of "house of cards" and author of four novels about winston churchill. this keynote address at the international churchill conference in new york city is 40 minutes. >> i'd like to ask, we have as a guest speaker tonight and i'd

. >> i've met joe mccarthy thraw my father who was something of a confidante to him. he was a hail fellow well met. he liked to party. he liked a drink or two. and as long as you didn't talk about communism you couldn't ask for a more fun guy to be with. but he was very serious about that. he was also someone who did not take advice very well. he consequently said things and even did things that hurt the ause for sometime. >> q & a sunday night at 8:00 eastern on c-span. >> walk us through first how this all unfolded yesterday. passed so the house this sort of unveiled and passed this stop-gap bill that kicks the can down the road till january 19 and also turned off what would have been big custom medicare and a bunch of other entitlement programs. xxx but would have been triggered by the tax cut bill because it would have increased the deficit so much. so that was a big win for susan collins who had secured that agreement from republican leaders as part of her vote for the tax bill. and the democrats basically went along with it in the senate, went along with turning

. >> i met joe mccarthy through my father who was a confidant to him he liked to party and was well met and liked a drink or two and as long as you didn't talk about communism you couldn't ask for a more fun guy to be with but he was very serious about that also someone who could not take advice very well he said things and did things that hurt the cause [inaudible conversations]

as you mentioned, is that bush went up against joe mccarthy, one of those who censured joe mccarthy. dwight eisenhower had great faith in prescott bush pick and pack put it on a short list, vice presidential candidacy he was considering and he thought he could be present himself. he expressed that aspiration of prescott bush. >> no nixon. >> but he was extraordinarily moderate by today's republican standards. in fact, as you point out to the lunch he was the president of the planned parenthood chapter in his hometown in connecticut. so a very moderate force. when george h. w. bush throws his hat in the ring, it's as county commissioner for the republican party in harris county texas. he is battling john birchers as you say you are extraordinarily radical and virulent in their thinking. they don't want at establishment republican ticket from northeast to tell them how to run things. george h. w. bush achieves the office and invites them in. he has the spirit of inclusion where he brings them into the party operation. he unites them by including them. it's a remarkable gesture, and ver

. >> i met joe mccarthy threw my father, and was a confidant to him. he liked to party. he liked to drink or two. as long as you didn't talk about communism, you couldn't ask for more fun guy to be with. he was very serious about that. it was also someone who did not take advice very well. and because it really said things and even did things that hurt the cause of anti-communism for some time. "q&a," sunday night at 8:00 eastern on c-span. >> sunday night on "afterwards," astronaut scott kelly recalls his voyages into space in his book. he is interviewed by charles bolden. collects yours was the third servicing mission. having been a part of that mission, and having beneficial whate hunter, talk about you believe the legacy of hubble is. >> is incredible. it's been up there -- 27 years. >> get into 30. >> doing that, science on a not onlyis and letting the scientists experience the data that they get from it, which is most of the stuff you don't see, but also, public engagement that's provided, and let people kind of get a sense for where we are in the universe, which i

primitivism like a joe mccarthy i was told when i was a young boy the soviets are in our schools they're in our colleges they are there they're creeping into our system where the soviets are going to take us over without even a war that was i heard this from serious people. you know you have to allow that this mentality exists and when you're around a vigilante mob that hangs people it's scary because you common sense goes out the window it's the first thing and decency and humanity you go out the window so it scares me that mentality in the you know a lot about politics you know politicians and you know something about scripts give me a scenario of how this should work out. their reality or you are see for a movie from my point of view from the american side it's not going to happen any other way and that's what's frightening because i don't see that russia can take any initiative at this point except for surrender would completely all your nuclear arms and have a regime change mr putin resigns which is insane to happen because the russian people support him now. no third parties do exi

. >> i've met joe mccarthy thraw my father who was something of a confidante to him. he was a hail fellow well met. he liked to party. he liked a drink or two. and as long as you didn't talk about communism you couldn't ask for a more fun guy to be with. but he was very serious about that. he was also someone who did not take advice very well. he consequently said things and even did things that hurt the ause for sometime. >> q & a sunday night at 8:00 eastern on c-span. >> walk us through first how this all unfolded yesterday. passed so the house this sort of unveiled and passed this stop-gap bill that kicks

. : i met joe mccarthy through my father, who was something of a confidant. he liked to party. he liked to drink. as long as you did not talk about communism, you could not ask for more fun guy to be around. but he was very serious about that. he was also someone who did not take advice very well. and he consequently said things and even did things that hurt the cause of anti-communism for some time. >> "q&a," sunday night on c-span. on americanend history tv on c-span3. saturday that :00 p.m., american university professor aaron bell talks about privacy laws and federal surveillance of civil rights leaders. cointelpro just before the famous i have a dream speech. we must mark king is the most dangerous negro in the future of this nation. .m., vietnam 4:30 p war veterans and former members of congress reflect on lessons learned during the war. >> we learned the limits of military power during vietnam. we learned that as a society, as a culture that you cannot kill an idea with a bullet. >> " the tax reformf belt were in the house, speaker ryan and other leaders spoke to reporte

lee: i met joe mccarthy through my father, who was something of a confidant. he was a fellow well met. he liked to party. he liked to drink. as long as you did not talk about communism, you could not ask for more fun guy to be with. but he was very serious about that. he was also someone who did not take advice very well. and he consequently said things and even did things that hurt the cause of anti-communism for some time. >> "q&a," sunday night on c-span. >> thursday, the house is expected to vote and debate on a temporary spending bill to fund the federal government through january 19. the rules committee met tuesday to consider rules of debate on this bill. this is one hour and a half.

. >> i met joe mccarthy through my father and he was a fellow well met. he liked to party. he liked a drink or two. and as long as you didn't talk about communism, you couldn't ask for a more fun to be with. but he was very serious about that. and he was also someone who did not take advice very well and he consequently said things and did things thathat hurt cause of anticommunism for some time. >> q&a sunday night at 8:00 eastern on c-span. >>> american history tv continues now with haul low cost survivor emanuel mandel who recalls his experiences as a young boy after the nazis occupied his hometown of budapest, hungary. they were transferred to the bergen-belsen concentration camp in germany. >> our moderator for this section is barry steelman. he's a graduate of the u.s. naval academy back in 1970 or maybe 80, somewhere around there. he served two tours aboard uss hendersonson off the shore of vietnam from 1970 twoub '73. has both the communications officer and then as combat information and intelligence officer. he then served two years on a joint chief of staff assign

. >> i met joe mccarthy through my father and he was a fellow well met. he liked to party. he liked a drink or two. and as long as you didn't talk about communism, you couldn't ask for a more fun to be with. but he was very serious about that. and he was also someone who did not take advice very well and he consequently said things and did things that hurt cause of anticommunism for some time. >> q&a sunday night at 8:00 eastern on c-span. >>> american history tv continues now with haul low cost survivor emanuel mandel who recalls his experiences as a young boy after the nazis occupied his hometown of budapest, hungary. they were transferred to the bergen-belsen concentrationam

he could not sneak up on someone and surprise them the way that joe mccarthy obviously was. this was a lesson he took from abilene. i found some other evidence of that. another wonderful item from our holdings. this is a message from george marshall. you can see in the second paragraph, this is at a time where the relationship with russia, which had never been warm and fuzzy, was now becoming cold and prickly. the cold war was beginning to start. marshall says you have to deal withstalin by using main street abilene style. you wonder if this was from eisenhower.s with i found it interesting that in his -- he showed it off in his military career as well is that speech that he wrote. one reason i had my doubts was because in that speech, when he says if you do not know wild bill hickok, you should read your westerns more, not your history. i thought maybe he was just remembering this because he had read so many westerns, but then i found a clipping from the chronicle, from the time that wild bill hickok was marshaled. there was a gunfight on 1st street. one man apparently drew

. >> i met joe mccarthy through my father who was something of a confident to his him and he was a yale fellow well met. he liked to party, liked to drink or two and as long as you didn't talk about communism, you couldn't ask for a more fun guy to be with but he's very serious about that and also someone who did not take advice very well. and he consequently said things and did things that hurt the cause of anticommunism for some time. >>> ladies and gentlemen, we ended last year's conference with a presentation by andrew roberts. and we know a winning formula when we see one.

my moderate republican upbringing -- my father didn't like joe mccarthy. it started to get me to rethink some of the things i was taught at home. things progressed and i was going to vote for barry goldwater the first time i could vote for president. in may of the election year, he started talking about, well, maybe we ought to use nuclear weapons in vietnam. i thought that was crazy and i couldn't vote for him. the protests started percolating at the university of wisconsin. they had a protest over dow chemical, which was the very first violent protest. there were many protests of the vietnam war, but this one went violent. the whole campus was in a state of shock. upon graduation, you had to think about the draft. the draft was very present in our daily lives, what is going to happen next, what is the draft board going to say, what do we do? it just so happened that there were graduate deferments thence i went to law school and continued to get a draft deferment. i wrote my law school thesis, if you will, it was on the selective services. i had this conn

. >> i met joe mccarthy. he was a hell fellow well meant. fellow well met.e was very serious about that. he was someone who did not take advice very well. he consequently said things and even dead things that hurt the cause. things that hurt the cause. >> this weekend on american history tv on c-span3. saturday at 8 p.m. eastern, american university professor aaron bell talks about civil rights leaders. william sullivan, shortly after the wash on -- the march on washington. king now as the most dangerous the growth in the future of this nation. at 4:30 p.m., reflect on lessons learned and ignored during the year. that the limits of military power during the vietnam war. we learned that as a society and a culture that you

. >> i met joe mccarthy through my father who was something of a confident ant to him. and he was a hale fellow well met. he liked to party. he liked toa drink or two. and as long as you didn't talk about communism, you couldn't ask for a more fun guy to be with. but he was very serious about that. and he was also someone who did not take advice very well. and he consequently said things and even did things that hurt the cause of the anti-communism for some time. >> q and a, sunday night at 8:00 eastern on c-span. >>> in 1953, winston churchill was awarded the nobel prize in literature for his six-volume book, the second world war. up next on american

primitivism like a joe mccarthy i was told when i was a young boy the soviets are in our schools they are in our colleges they are there they're creeping into our system where the soviets are going to take us over without even a war that was i heard this from serious people. you know it is you have to allow that this mentality exists and when you're around a vigilante mob that hangs people it's scary because you common sense goes out the window it's the first thing decency and humanity you go out mentality see in the you know a lot about politics you know politicians and you know something about scripts give me a scenario of how this should work out. a reality are you asking for a movie mr putin resigns which is insane and support him i don't see any way out right now. no third parties do exist they come into being there's de gaulle's that come up from charles de gaulle you hope for a french leader or a european leader i was very disappointed in merkel throughout this whole process because she knows better she knows the real story of ukraine she she doesn't fall for it because her for

. >> i met joe mccarthy. , who was a confidant to him, and he was -- he liked to party, a drink or twog as you didn't talk about communism, you couldn't ask for more fundi to be with. he is very serious about that. he is also someone who did not take advice well. things things and did that hurt the cause of anti-communism. >> q&a, sunday night at eight ago eastern on c-span. 8:00 >> eastern on c-span. >> washington journal is next. the houses back at 9:00 eastern time. items on the agenda, a spending bill to avoid a government shutdown, heading into the holiday recess, and reauthorizing the foreign intelligence surveillance act. coming up this morning on washington journal, a professor and

. >> i met joe mccarthy to my father who a something of a confidant to him, and he was well met. he liked to party. elected drink or two. and as long as you didn't talk about communism you couldn't ask for a more fun guy to be with. but he was very soon about that and is also someone who did not take advice very well. and he consequently said things and even dead things that hurt the cause of anti-communism for some time. >> q&a sunday night on c-span. >> senator susan collins came to the senate floor monday to weigh in on the republican tax reform bill. we'll also hear from florida democrat senator bill nelson. the senate could work on the measure later today. >> madam president, i rise to express my support for the conference agreement on the tax cuts and jobs act. the first major overhaul of our tax code since 1986. this legislation will provide tax relief toki working familie, encourage the creation of jobs right here in america, and spur economic growth that will benefit all americans. madam president, let me start by discussing the effects of this bill on individuals and fa

. >> i met joe mccarthy through my father who was something of a confidante to him. he was a fellow well met, he liked to party. he liked a drink or two. as long as you didn't talk about communism, you couldn't ask for a more fun guy to be with. but he was very serious about that. he was also someone who did not take advice very well. he consequently said things and even did things that hurt the cause of banning communism for sometime. >> q&a, sunday night 8:00 eastern on c-span. >> there's more american history tv coming up next with father and son historians paul bew and john bew. they give separate talks on churchill's relationship with ireland and his influence on british prime minister from mid 1940s to

. >> i met joe mccarthy through my father who was something of a confident ant to him. and he was a hale fellow well met. he liked to party. he liked toa drink or two. and as long as you didn't talk about communism, you couldn't ask for a more fun guy to be with. but he was very serious about that. and he was also someone who did not take advice very well. and he consequently said things and even did things that hurt the cause of the anti-communism for some time. >> q and a, sunday night at 8:00 eastern on c-span. >>> in 1953, winston churchill was awarded the nobel prize in literature for his six-volume book, the second world war. up next on american history tv, we'll take a look at churchill's career as a historian with journalist andrew roberts. this is 50 minutes. >>> ladies and gentlemen, we ended last year's conference with a presentation by andrew roberts. and we know a winning farm lo when we see one. so do introduce andrew this year, we have the beautiful catherine katz. [ applause ] >> hello. i'll keep my remarks brief in order to maximize the amount of time w

she calls her critics mccartyites, harkening back to joe mccarthy about the 1950s. senator burr, who is running the committee in the senate for the intelligence committee, he's saying the r.t. connections even as a desk, maybe a dinner, these are all things that come under their purview and scrutiny. >> just when you think this story is pretty much weird enough, it gets even weirder on a monday this close to christmas. gentlemen, thank you. ken delanian, robert costa, thank you for being here tonight. >> and coming up, steve schmidt is here to weigh in on russia developments and then some. we're back right after this. >>> we are back for a conversation we always like forward to with our friend steve schmidt, an msnbc political analyst. steve, a lot of folks in the -- what i define as the political and geographic center of this country and it is still there are rattled by what they see as a public campaign to diminish and smear a guy like robert mueller, who we all guess could be doing other things and making a fortune in private practice and diminish and smear the f

you could not sneak up on someone and surprise them the way that joe mccarthy obviously was. this was a lesson he took from abilene, he said. i found some other evidence of that. again another wonderful item , from our holdings. this is a message from george c marshall to eisenhower. the allied expeditionary force, of which i was a supreme commander. you can see formerly classified, top secret. down in the second paragraph, this is at a time in the war where the relationship with russia, which had never been warm and fuzzy, was now becoming cold and prickly. the cold war was beginning to start. marshall says you have to deal with stalin by using main street abilene style. was fromnder if this conversations he had had with eisenhower about the code of the west or abilene code, or from knowing ike was from that part of the country, he used it. but i think it is interesting that it shows up in his military career as well is that speech that he wrote. but i had my doubts, and one reason i had my doubts was because in that speech, when he said if you do not know wild bill hickok,