the time was 1950 and her target was senator joe mccarthy. she stood alone on the floor of the senate and issued a declaration of conscience. no cameras captured the speech that day, but here's part of what she said. today our country is being psychologically divided by the confusions and the suspicions that spread like cancerous tentacles of know-nothing, suspect everything attitudes. chase wanted the gop to win but she said, i don't want to see the republican party ride to political victory on the four horsemen of fear, ignorance, bigotry and smear. her lonely stand inspired more for fellow senators to find the courage to speak up. mccarthy became isolated, consumed by lawsuits and scandals, ultimately revealed as a petty paranoid narcissist. he died widely reviled. the fact that joe mccarthy's lawyer went on to mentor donald trump is more than a coincidence of history. doubly ironic because of trump's refusal to ever condemn the kremlin. the most relevant echo is the lonely stand of liz cheney for the sin of refusing to back the big lie. t

joe mccarthy accused pearson of being a communist puppet.e called on americans to boycott pearson's radio sponsor and the sponsor caved and dropped the program. that cause pearson half his income. but it was the "washington merry-go-round" that undid joe mccarthy. it started by revealing one of mccarthy's aides had dodged the draft which crafted army doctors to reclassify. next to the column revealed another mccarthy staffer, roy cohen, was demanding weekend passes and special treatment from the private. mccarthy was investigating the single core. the army said he was prolonging the investigation to blackmail the private. mccarthy said the army was holding shine hostage make them stop the investigation. the senate held the televised hearings and this gave the nation the chance to see for themselves the type of actions and behavior senator mccarthy -- the drew pearson had been reporting on. no other journalist, not even edward mauro who gets the credit, but no one could ticketed as much to joseph mccarthy's undoing. drew pearson spent four de

joe mccarthy's witch hunt was evidence of that and the right wing eisenhower who was accused of being a secret soviet agent and judge ward was called out for siding over segregation. get this. under ike in 1956, republicans won 39% of the black vote. but in 1964, it fell to 6%. here's why. >> extremism in the defense of liberty is no vice. >> yeah. that's mr. conservative, barry goldwater, the 1964 nominee, the defender of joe mccarthy, darling of the birchers. his gop opponent that year was new york governor rockefeller who was labeled a moderate. rockefeller said, look, i'm a hawk on foreign policy and defense. what more do you want of me. conservatives wanted all or nothing. he spoke at the convention, condemning extremism. he said there was no need for hawkers of the kkk. he lost in landslide to lyndon johnson. reagan said, my 80% friend is not my 20% enemy. newt gingrich wanted to purge moderates from the party. the inflauns of right wing media amplified these divides. listen to this now ironic 2009 interview with former gop dick cheney choosing rush limbaugh over colin powell. >

kevin mccarthy is just like joe mccarthy. he's playing a lie to advantage. then when it is exposed, you'll pretend you're not doing what you just did in this mccarthy's instance by getting rid of cheney. >> i don't think anybody is questioning the legitimacy of the presidential election, i think that is all over with. we're sitting here with the president today. >> now how does he say that b.s. with a straight face? because he's playing a game. don't expect better from him. he is not capable of it. big tent, not like the left, asked cheney for refusing to lie. there are real questions that need answers about this election! we're not questioning the election. i told trump, i threw the f-word around, call off your dogs. the president said get on it, i did it right away. it's a fool's game. the lies are painfully obvious because that's all the game requires. so stop allowing the game. how? by what you focus on and demand. what you value in your media what you respond to. that's why cheney matters. because she's just proof of the reality. cheney is not some tower

harry truman had big problems he had them in the soviet threat he had him with joe mccarthy. you know, he had a lot of big problems. and abraham lincoln had a lot of big problems george washington had a lot of big problems. i want the great things about history. is that it reminds you if you if you're reading history your mind that however terrible things seem now they're pretty terrible 10 years ago or 20 years ago. let me know good the good old days. well, when will the good old days were they you know the night the teens when we were fighting world war i have the 1930s. we had a great depression 1940s when we have world war two 1950s supposed to be right time, but you know throughout the atom bomb the 1960s a country blow up, right and 1970s world. what were the what were the tell me what the good old well and then and then if wants you to find the good old days tell me for whom were they the good old days. i mean, there's always winners and losers in every and every year at every time exactly and one thing about our age is that we are coming to grips painfully. with the f

kevin mccarthy. what's joe biden's favorite word? full of malarkey. and as paul ryan speaks out for his vision of the gop, the trump wing of the party is on full display tonight. >> this is donald trump's party. and i'm a donald-trump republican. we're not going back to the days of the bushes and the mccains and the romneys. our way, america first, is the way forward for america. >> and that is the face of the gop. gaetz and the qanon congresswoman. >> we've got to clear something up. who won the presidential race on november 3rd for georgia ? >> let's answer that question for her. joe biden. it's settled. but that's what joe biden is faced with tonight. a republican party enthrall of the former president. a republican party, letting matt gaetz and marjorie taylor greene speak for them. a republican party, too scared to stand up for the truth of what happened on january 6th. even though, it could have killed them. president biden saying this, today. >> i can't imagine anyone voting against the establishment of a commission on the greatest assault sinc

. >> making sure -- >> could be joe mccarthy or gene mccarthy, but in 2016, kevin mccarthy on a call with the republican leadership said he thinks putin controls trump, and every time liz cheney spoke and it shows up that he is an empty suit, and he wants to get rid of her, he's not just doing donald trump's bidding. he does not want a leadership that shows him up and says he can't stand up and speak honestly. it is a lot also about kevin mccarthy, and of this which is interesting in the first 15 weeks, the republican attacks on joe biden are about what is infrastructure, about the burning of the credit card. what is interesting to me is they are silent about the taxes. the republican party is becoming a working class party and they don't want to fight a corporatiabout corporations. >> they are not anchoring -- >> when they govern, they give nothing but corporate welfare away. >> given the economic numbers on friday, they're trying to find a message. let's listen to pat toomey, the outgoing senator for pennsylvania. >> systematically paying unemployment benefits that are more than a

hoffstetter and the paranoid style in american politics, and there's always been a populist element and joe mccarthy and george wallace and huey long and ross perot and pat buchanan. we could spend the rest of the week with my boring you with the historical prologues to this moment. the difference is all of those moments were differences of degree from a consensus and a rational governing strategy as opposed to kind. and right now this is a difference of kind. having mitch mcconnell, who has given his life to republican power, but it was republican, and it was republican in the sense of eisenhower and nixon and ford and reagan and the bushes. he's now using all of his formidable skills, whatever you think about what he does with them, there's never been a more powerful senate majority leader including lyndon johnson than mitch mcconnell. he sing of single-handedly shifted american jurisprudence for the next half century, and what he's doing tonight is he is standing in the way of truth, of finding out how we had the most perilous hour for our democracy since ft. sumter. >> let me ask you this since

and joe mccarthy was a senator, not a u.s. president. but trump, i thought would be a deflated figure at best. january 6th was a couple months ago. but he's the king of mar a lago, and lindsey graham, saying it's the trump republicans, where do the lonnest conservatives go? i don't know how they can stay in a party based on lies and conspiracy theories. they might need a party movement to put a wedge in the game. >> could have picked someone smart to bow down to. president biden saying the country has a long way to go in an economic recovery after a weak jobs report in april. only 266,000 jobs added to the economy. economists predicted 1 million or so. and the numbers for march, revised down from 916,000 initially reported. i want to bring in cnn economics commentator katherine. what happened in. >> you know, it's puzzling. there are a number of factors here. some of it may be weird measurement issues. the number of couriers went down last month. and manufacturing, there are job losses, probably related to the fact there are shortages of

i mean joe mccarthy was a senator. he wasn't a u.s. president. but trump, i thought, would be a deflated figure at best as ex-president. january 6th was only a couple of months ago, but he's the king of mar-a-lago. everybody's kissing his ring, and the weather vane to follow, i guess, is lindsey graham, who is saying there is no republican party without donald trump and the purging of liz cheney is just one of many manifestations. it is the trump republicans. the crisis is where do the honest conservatives go? i don't know how they can stay in a party based on lies and conspiracy theories. they might need to create a third -- you know, a new kind of conservative party movement to put a wedge into the game right now. >> pick someone start to bow down to. thank you very much. i'll see you soon. >>> president biden saying the country still has a long way to go in its economy recovery after a weak jobs report for april. economists had been predicting around 1 million or so jobs, so those jobs numbers for march were also revised down to 770,000 from 9

in the red scare, they were the ones that fought the anti--anti- -- they fought the joe mccarthies. their allies to the wolves because they don't want to get canceled. so, who is the hollywood foreign press? who are they? >> the hollywood foreign press is a bunch of people from europe who love to go out to lunch with famous people. >> greg: right. that's it. i'll have dinner with them. >> i think what happened is that nbc looked at the oscars ratings and, like, we should cancel the golden globes. seriously. ricky could trim his toenails and get higher ratings than the golden gloves. it's a complete joke. and tom cruise what a hero. >> he's the face and remains the face of a cult. >> that's what he did. the thing is, it's all a protection racket, right? for cheese balls to throw people that they can't to the crocodile so the crocodile doesn't come after them. >> it is. hollywood has completely lost their way. they are no longer about entertainment at all. it's like, hollywood is like some big crazy bakery where the head chef is having sex with all the waitresses, and they have to aud

back, you know, into the 1950s when republicans like margaret chase smith was standing up against joe mccarthywhere are the margaret chase smiths of today? we need more. this is not only dangerous to the republican party, and we need a center right party as we need a center left party but we don't need a radical party that's built on lies. that's the road we're going down. and once you get into this environment, the big lies start to take hold and it changes your culture. you know, if you go back to the '20s and '30s in germany, what was hitler doing? writing in a cell, talking about the big lies, blaming it on the jews. where was his propaganda minister? he famously said if you tell a lie that's big enough and you keep saying it often enough eventually people will come to believe it and that's where we are now, and that is a distinct danger to the union over time. >> and obviously hitler would have nazi germany, which is an extreme case, but i can understand your point of this being a slippery slope and the fear that's out there. >> one of the republican lawmakers, currently, who has been out

out about fictitious congressman charlie martyr and his wife margaret thrust into the world of joe mccarthy'swest to investigate rat pack era hollywood in 1962. you can go to jaketapper.com, selling autographed on tuesday. thanks for indulging me and finding politics as fascinating and fun as i do. >>> this year has been really tough on mothers. we want to show our gratitude next. every emergen-c gives you a potent blend of nutrients so you can emerge your best with emergen-c. i've lost count of how many asthma attacks i've had. but my nunormal with nucala? fewer asthma attacks. nucala is a once-monthly add-on injection for severe eosinophilic asthma. not for sudden breathing problems. allergic reactions can occur. get help right away for swelling of face, mouth, tongue, or trouble breathing. infections that can cause shingles have occurred. don't stop steroids unless told by your doctor. tell your doctor if you have a parasitic infection. may cause headache, injection-site reactions, back pain, and fatigue. ask your doctor about nucala. find your nunormal with nucala. like you, my hands are

this happened when joe mccarthy was operating the 1950s. mitch mcconnell becomes a very dark and sorid figure in american history. january 6th was a moment of mobility for him when he gave that famous speech after the insurrection. and now, to see him organizing that we don't want to have the real facts that occurred because it might somehow damage donald trump is really, probably, one of the lowest if not the lowest moment in u.s.-civic affairs. it's mind boggling. i just would say, laura, george w. bush, 9/11 happened on his watch and a commission went forward. some people were going to blame george w. bush for not having our country ready or alert for a terror attack. but we go forward with this and trump would have been all right at the end of the line. but mitch mcconnell smelled politics and he refused to do the right thing. and our country's a lesser place, because of it. >> you know, it's crazy to think that people could use the idea the law of unintended consequences when -- with transparency. and oh, we don't want that to happen b

rights and for more -- the whole 60s comes out of this period and equally this is the time that joe mccarthy as active as well in some ways are beginning to be active in some way so i think there are really two sides in the early part of the cold war era and i just wanted your perspective on how you reconciled with that. spain had they were definitely there. i don't like to over. ice things but i like to think about period this way. the first few years after the war the emphasis on anti-communism taking the form of mccarthyism but also in other ways in an american way of life which was still not inclusive is quite dominant. by 1956 that changes a lot in my book starts in 1956 i don't like to say everything starts here and in spare but that's kind of what you see. the supreme court comes down with decisions limiting the power of agencies and the supreme court starts taking on cases which open up freedom of expression and freedom expression in literature and movies. then we start again opening up of american life and along with that as you pointed out in 1956 the emergence of the modern civil

>> kind of recalls senator margaret chase smith's declaration of conscience against joe mccarthy backwhy is cheney doing this and why in "the washington post" which many on the conservative right consider to be a liberal rag? i do not, but why -- why would she do it there? >> i don't know why she picked "the washington post" except it is the paper of washington, d.c. >> absolutely. >> and all politicians will read it. i also think that this is about starting, launching what is going to be the next step in what she considers to be a fight for democracy. she truly believes that trump is a danger to this country and that the republican party has to find itself again, and so i think we're going to see that this op-ed is the beginning of that campaign. >> we'll see if it has any effect. jamie gangel, thanks so much for bringing that to us. >> also in the politics lead, federal prosecutors have asked for an independent review of the material that the fbi seized from rudy giuliani's home and office as an attempt to head off any giuliani defense complaints about the raid and possible violatio

the great senator from maine who, in 1950, four years before joe mccarthy was censured. ur-years before, she was the first person, the first republican, to stand up on the floor of the senate. and say, in a speech called "the declaration of conscience," say that mccarthy was out of the mainstream of american tradition of fair play. and i salute her for doing this. it may cost her something, in the short term. but if -- if you think about things, historically, and if you think about things more structurally, which the cheney family does. you are doing the right thing. you're on the right side of history. >> and, jon, you don't get more conservative than liz cheney. am i wrong? >> i don't think so, no. but that -- see, that's one of the things that's so important in this conversation. it goes to what you are talking about, about truth and lies. is these folks, in the republican party today, they aren't conservative in a recognizable form. >> the flamethrowers. >> this is not edmondburg and this is not eisenhower, this isn't robert taft. this is a kind of nihilistic will to

you know, after mccarthy, joe mccarthy was censured in 1954, there was an eagerness of the republican 1974, there was an eagerness of the republican party to move on. we don't have that now. we don't have a republican party eager to move on. we have a republican party eager to repeat the mistakes that have been made in the last six months. >> yeah. and we heard from judge amy jackson that steady drum beat could bring an insurrection again. let me move on to your book. you've got a new one out, i know, because you sent me one, you signed it, and i appreciate that, jake. "the devil may dance." set a couple of decades back but the story applicable to today. tell us about it. >> the book is based on the real story of when after working their heart out to get president kennedy elected, the rat pack expected that when president kennedy came and visited california, that he would stay with sinatra and he had his compound built up, a helipad and more but attorney general robert kennedy had a tough decision to make because he was going after organized crime. and is sinatra was buddies with a co

the short run but there are a lot of examples inniin i history margaret chase smith taking on joe mccarthy in the 50s when few republicans are willing to do so and others stood up in situations like this and they will be remembered well in history but she, you know, i agree with everything else everyone said. this is fund mental to our democracy and she's quite right liz cheney is a hawk on china. she's a hawk on russia and she understands what a propaganda triumph it is for them to have a former president leading his party in this direction and she's saying no, she's putting her hand up. she's refusing to go along. >> jamie, i mean, there is a long history of politicians, you know, who have been up to bullies to remain in power and over time they don't usually end up so well, certainly not in the history books. congress woman cheney, what happens to her now and i mean, at the larger picture, you know, for democrats watching and thinking well, this just doesn't really matter much because this is, you know, a battle happening within the republican party. we are a two-party system and we onl

with frank sin nat stra in this book, or in the first book, you can do anything you want with joe mccarthytion. people understand it. you can have fun. yeah, that's the struggle, and i usually solve it in between the first draft and the second draft. >> you do have so much fun with the martyrs, lead characters in both novels. where do you find inspiration about them? where two they come from in your mind? >> margaret is the haeroine of the book, strong, independent, loves charlie, but is tough on charlie. i wish i were a world war ii hero. i'm not. also, i think charlie has weaknesses that are my own weaknesses and i play them up as much as possible. to a degree they're based on me and my wife, but obviously fictitious. they're not us, but they're based on us. >> is there symbolism or significance in the fact that he's a republican congressman as opposed to a democrat? >> it's the hero of the book and he's a republican congressman. i thought it would be interesting to have a hero that was a republican congressman. the series starts in the '50s. he's a congressman from new york. he's an eis

because they you know the fear of communism from within takes a rancid turn with joe mccarthy when you know, and this is truman god caught up in this the loyalty dose and loyalty test. oh, yeah, not a pretty time in the united states where we get all paranoid about the soviet union and we exaggerate it's internal threat in the united states. i mean there were spies world war two there are a lot of russian spies now no, yeah the known and decrypts and all that but by 1950 when when macarthur is yelling about reds under every bed, we don't have enough. it wasn't really a threat but the country went crazy about it. nonetheless truman had it, you know delicately navigate through all that right hard to get it right. the politics are really complex and and people have shifting views, right, you know, and there are views of all arthur vandenberg was a isolationist who becomes an internationalist during world war. i think it was because the hitler yeah. yeah, no, no vandenberg's another great example of that kind of evolution and i just wonder i think it's i think that's particularly interesti

the president is going to take their advice and listen to them and roy cohen was important to joe mccarthy in the senate subcommittee investigating sabotage of the government in the early 40s and 50s but he was a self promoter and made himself more important. he already had his framework for the country and the worldview was already set. there was very little you could point to he simply met him once or twice and there were several letters on the reagan white house. the political analysis was to give as much as possible. it's pretty outsized considering who he was and what advice he took. >> sylvester georgia, good afternoon. you are on booktv. >> thank you. it's a wonderful program. a few things. the first one i lived down the street from the pearl harbor survivor and the japanese submarines that morning. the other thing i want to ask you about one of the books you wrote about reagan between 76 and 80 i remember reagan debating his fellow conservative about the panama canal treaties into the status with his own parties. >> i'm sorry, go ahead. >> he's done, craig shirley. >> the panama ca

thinking the president will pick their fights and listen to them and roy cohen was important to joe mccarthy the senate subcommittee investigating sabotaging the united states government during the time of the red scare in the early 50s in late 40s and early 50s but roy cohen, he was a self promoter and he promoted, made himself more important to reagan than he was. he already had his framework for how he was going to run the country and govern the country and his worldview was already set so there was very little you could point to that he had any influence, he simply met him once or twice, that deal was about it. there were several letters, a memo in the reagan white house, generating concerns, and agent to nancy reagan when they were in new york but the political analysis was stay away from him as much as possible. his influences, pretty outsized considering who reagan was and whose advice he took. >> blow is in sylvester, georgia. you are on booktv. >> a wonderful program. two things, the first i live down the street from a pearl harbor survivor the command of the us is ward, the major j

they're still being books published even in the last few months of eisenhower's dealings with joe mccarthy of whether he took the right tact or not. so that's one that's not going away anytime soon. he admittedly self did not convert to republican party to what he called his middleweight governing philosophy. and he did not provide moral. rhetorical support in terms of civil rights and as a civil rights leader, it was a little tepid. for example after the brown versus boring supreme court case you didn't say you know, this is the just decision, you know, it's way overdue. he just said the supreme court has spoken and i was warned up ... more than 10 years ago. and so a lot of these slides were put together at that time and one course, i think thing that many of us have more awareness of is the history of gay civil rights. and as truman had his loyalty review board. eisenhower banned gays and federal employment in the mid-1950s largely for security reasons, too. and so you're starting to see more criticism of ike for that action as well, but it's all within the same context of security and

there are still books published even in the last few months of eisenhower's dealings with joe mccarthy, whether he took the right tack or not. so that's one that's not going away anytime soon. he admittedly did not convert the republican party to what he called his middle way governing philosophy. and he did not provide moral, rhetorical support in terms of civil rights, as a civil rights leader. he was a little tepid. for example, after the brown versus board supreme court case, he didn't say this was a just decision, way overdue. he just said the supreme court has spoken and i am sworn to uphold the law, which looked like that he almost disagreed with the court, but he would kind of, you know, accept it and move on. and something else that's come up that i have more awareness of, sam and i first did this program more than ten years ago. and so a lot of these slides were put together at that time. and one of course thing that many of us had more awareness of is the history of gay civil rights. as truman had his loyalty review board, eisenhower banned gays in federal employment in the

people come away thinking the president is going to take your device and win was important to joe mccarthyin the senate subcommittee on investigating sabotage and the united states government during the red scare in the early 50's in late 40s. roy cowen i don't like to cast aspersions on those who have passed away but he was a self promoter and he made himself more important to reagan than he really was. he had this framework for how he was going to run the government and the country and his worldviews were already stat so there was very little you can point to that he had any influence over. he met him once or twice and that was aboutic it. there were several letters and memos from the reagan white house that were generated by root roy cowen to mrs. reagan and president reagan when they were new york and it was to give him a wide girth as much as possible. his views were outside considering who reagan was and careful whose advice you to. >> host: beau is an georgia. good afternoon beau. >> caller: two things first when i lived down the street from the -- and the other thing i want to ask

thinking the president is going to take their place and listen to them but roy cohen was important to joe mccarthy and his senate subcommittee on investigating sabotage in the united states government during the time of the red scare in the early 50s, late 40s and early50s . but roy cohen, i don't like the cast s version on those who passedaway but he was a selfpromoter . he promoted , he made himself more important to reagan than he really was.he already had his framework for how he was going to run the country and to govern the country. his worldview is already set so there's very little you can point to to show that he had any influence over reagan . he simply met him once or twice and i think that was about it. there were several letters or memos i believe in the reagan white house that were generated , his indications to nancy reagan and to president reagan when they were in new york. and the political analysis was that to stay away from him. just stay away as much as possible so his influence was pretty outsized considering who reagan was and who he listen to and whose advice he took. >> boa

margaret chase smith being the only woman in the senate in 1950 taking on joe mccarthy.eney is standing in that vain. but i think to your point, the question really is, what is going on with members of congress that they have so little courage that they don't understand that shrinking to this man, shrinking to the big lie and going along with it does not protect the republic. it does not honor the constitution. and that is why they are there. they are not there to keep their jobs. they are not there to enrich themselves of engage in largess, whatever you want to call it. and i get the fear about your safety after january 6th. every member of congress should fear, to some degree, for their safety, right? we know the capitol can be breached. it has been breached. that's why this commission is so important. this bipartisan commission. and i think we're going to have to take a real hard look at where we are, like liz says, in our basic civility in the public square, jonathan. that's really what's at issue. our basic civility in the political arena has gone to the dogs, for l

joe manchin and kerstin sinema. it seems to me that while many of us were distracted last week by what was happening in the republican caucus with liz cheney and kevin mccarthy, that really, if you step back, the big story is that joe biden gave one of the most sweeping progressive speeches of our time. a few weeks back, but here we are, two weeks later, and you sit there wondering, well, is he going to be able to get to 50 votes, let alone 60 votes on 90% of those measures. which means, they're going to have to figure out a way to compromise with republicans. they're going to have to figure out a way to get some republicans on their side. or that legislation is not going to move. whether you like the legislation, hate the legislation, or ambivalent about the legislation, that's just the political reality. and that's the one thing i think a lot of people are overlooking in washington right now. they've got to figure out how to get ten republicans onboard or, if you believe joe manchin, none of this stuff is going to pass. >> yeah. and i think that the fact that the white house is beginning to move in that direction, you know, it's signaled a lot more willing

restaurant revitalization fund and encouraging them to apply for the program created by joe biden, which kevin mccarthy voted against. last week speaker pelosi, who will be sitting with kevin mccarthy in the oval office next wednesday said this about kevin mccarthy. he called the american rescue plan social list, claimed it would turn the u.s. into venezuela and convinced every member of his caucus to vote against hit. no one should be surprised that mccarthy voted no and took the dough with the american rescue plan. the only question is which parts of the american jobs and families plan will he pick to brag about? today joe biden met with the second most powerful guy named joe in washington whose support he needs to pass any version of the infrastructure bill. when west virginia democratic senator joe manchin emerged from that meeting at the white house, he certainly wanted to sound as if he is in complete agreement with the first president named joe, but he didn't want to get into specifics. >> can i get your position on not being so comfortable with the 20% corporate tax rate. does that come up? >>

she runs into joe mccarthy, who at that point was destroying lives, getting people arrested, causinglly, causing people to in anguish commit suicide, he was the most feared man in washington, d.c. she walked past him. i hear your going to give a speech. yes, i am and you're not going to like it. margaret chase smith, this woman in a town of men goes out and delivers a speech that everybody else was afraid to give. two years later ikes one of my political heroes would be afraid to had nothing to lose, to be afraid of and yet he still pulled his punches on mccarthy. it was an extraordinary moment. she stood alone. the stakes were very high. here we have liz cheney alone. i'll just say it, i've been personal here. but alone in that chamber that i love. chamber that i loved working in, that i felt honored to be in everyday. that i have been embarrassed by. over the past several years but liz cheney last night making me think, wait a second, that still is a place where right can be done and history can be made. >> yeah. and you know, part of democracy an essential element of the system th

joe biden does. he hosted kevin mccarthy and mitch mcconnell today. some of it may be symbolic. there is some interest in working together. i am curious is there going to be tension between the biden white house how much to work with this version of the gop? >>. >> yes, there is chuck. not like they would be chomping at the bit to cut a deal with the biden white house if liz cheney was still in leadership. she's got a more consecutive record than elyce stefanik. there is tension within the democratic party and between them and the white house with progressives on one hand saying cut the rope and let's move to reconciliation because republicans aren't going to be serious about pursuing any infrastructure package of the size they believe is necessary but the white house is doing this. it's holding the bipartisan meetings and pursuing this approach because there are moderate democrats who insist on trying and some progressive activists want to let president biden get caught trying to work with republicans like he did on covid but need to give more rope this time the white house bel

mccarthy seriously at this point. it's just hard. he can't take yes for an answer. >> so, again, joewhether he'll be subpoenaed in this investigation and whether he would be criminally liable or expose former president trump to criminal liability. mccarthy on the other hand actually has because there are major questions about what he did on that day. >>> coming up, back to the middle east and the ongoing violence there. we're joined by two diplomats from opposing sides of the conflict. "morning joe" is coming right back. ♪ the light. ♪ it comes from within. it drives you. and it guides you. to shine your brightest. ♪ as you charge ahead. illuminating the way forward. a light maker. recognizing that the impact you make comes from the energy you create. introducing the all-electric lyriq. lighting the way. ♪ trelegy for copd. ♪ birds flyin' high, you know how i feel. ♪ ♪ breeze drifting on by you know how i feel. ♪ ♪ it's a new dawn... ♪ if you've been taking copd sitting down, it's time to make a stand. start a new day with trelegy. no once-daily copd medicine has the power to treat c

that the election wasn't stolen and that joe biden was fairly elected, that same joe biden, president biden, kevin mccarthy is sitting with in the oval office as we speak to discuss whether or not they can find bipartisan compromise on a host of issues, first and foremost the infrastructure legislation. >> it feels like an encapsulation of everything messed up about washington. >> it is, pretty hard to do because it's a very complicated and deep and wide ranging m, messed up in your terms. that's first and foremost. the thing is, joe biden has been around for a very long time. he's never quite seen this kind of division within parties, particularly with the republican party. but he understands what it takes to make a deal. that's clearly the way he's going to approach this, kind of pretend it didn't happen. >> try to move forward somehow from it. dana, stick with me. jeremy diamond, i'm bringing you in real quick. this is the first time the president -- a joint meeting between top congressional leaders. the focus, as biden said, is going to be on infrastructure. clearly he's making a joke on how easily com

mccarthy then tweeted about biden being corrupt. joe need to have a functioning republican party. is the republican party functioning in a way that allows them to work with them at all? >> definitely not over on the house side. we both saw how quickly they ousted cheney in a less than 18-minute meeting in the morning and hours later, going to the white house the first time to meet with president biden. biden on the campaign trail again said i really want to work with republicans. i'm the candidate who can bridge parties. it has taken him several months to pick up the phone and talk to mccarthy. even yesterday, after that vote to oust cheney and asking some house republicans, is this an issue about trump? what are your believes about biden being president? there was a lot of push back from republicans including some saying the insurrectionists that stormed the capitols were just tourists on a regular day visiting the capitol. all of which we know is not true. it is very difficult. it is a different atmosphere that will make it difficult

this week democratic senator joe manchin and senator mccarthy reached a bipartisan agreement of two senators, to rewrite the position of the voting rights act that was struck down in a letter to speaker pelosi and majority leader schumer in the senate along with the republican minority leaders of the house and senate. senator manchin and senator murkowski wrote, inaction is not an option. congress must come together , just as we have done time and again, to reaffirm our longstanding bipartisan commitment to free, accessible and secure elections for all. leading off our discussion tonight is stacey abrams, the founder of the voter protection fair fight action, and she is the author of the new novel "while justice sleeps" which is now number 1 on the "new york times" bestseller list for fiction. thank you for joining us tonight and congratulations for the bestseller list. i want to get a word in on the book after we discuss voting rights for a moment. i want to start with what senator manchin is trying to do in the senate now, which is to reauthorize that provision of the voting rights act tha

so joe biden comes on your program and sits down and talks to you and says he would love to do a deal with mccarthyg to take his words until he has no reason to. he only knows it is 1% chance. that's where the politics of bipartisanship are, trying to make the deal and if you are not going to get the deal, look to the american people like you are trying to get the deal. that's good for you politically and good for politics. i think the second important point is and i think i have said this on this program before. one of the great misconceptions of american politics is joe biden has some kind of blind spot with mitch mcconnell that they have done business together and been friends for a long time. joe biden is not any illusion by mcconnell. i would say joe biden has the same view of the trustworthiness. you are right, mcconnell matters functionally than mccarthy does in terms of trying to get that deal done. >> jennifer, what do you make of the 10 becoming 35 tonight. adding 25 republicans on the house floor willing to stand up and vote against the wishes of donald trump. >> yes, lawrence, i was sur

mccarthy. the gop leader was on the phone with donald trump as riotersp tried to stop certification of joe biden's victory and trump told mccarthy that it was antifa not his supporters who were breaching the capitol and said, kevin, i guess these people are more upset about the election than you are. the bill is still expected to pass the house on wednesday so the focus will soon turn to the senate and whether ten republicans will break ranks. >> we're undecided about the way forward at this point. >> and some republicans pushing back on mccarthy's call for a broad probe. >> if you're really making this a very broad brush approach it might be difficult to really get a -- a value from a specific type of commission. >> you think president trump should talk to this commission to detail what was happening on that day? >> if you put together a commission that is focused on the events of january 6th, i think he's obviously a very key individual. >> reporter: for mccarthy his eyes are set on one thing, winning back the house majority next year knowing full well that investigations could be politically da

just yesterday hours after that meeting, kevin mccarthy sent out a fund-raising tweet saying he just met with corrupt joee any chance you can negotiate in good faith with somebody doing that? >> that's the big question. look, president biden's going to be meeting with shelley moore capito, who is leading the charge when it comes to the gop counterproposal and six other senators to try to get a deal done. i just spoke with some white house officials to try to get their response to the tweet you mentioned. they say, look, the president is trying to stay focused on the big picture, on getting this passed with some bipartisan support. but you're right, steph, there's a reality to all of this. biden knows kevin mccarthy has to play to his base. he has to keep the trump base close while he negotiates at the same time. they're watching all of this quickly. of course, it comes against the backdrop of this big leadership shake-up just yesterday, where they ousted congresswoman liz cheney for her repeated attacks and criticism of former president trump for his lies about the 2020 election. so leader mccarthy knows

. >> so congresswoman, given all that, when you see joe biden meeting this week with republicans, including kevin mccarthy, when joe biden meets with them to search for a quote unquote bipartisan solution on infrastructure, how do you work with a party that doesn't accept the legitimacy of the presidential election result? i hear the word bipartisan these days and i feel like i'm losing my mind. how do you do deals who deny election results? >> well, we can't. i mean, i think it's been extremely hard for us, particularly in the house. it is impossible really to work with the vast majority of republicans on the other side, because they won't admit what is true. they have become the vast majority of them have become a one-man cult. and the only thing that's required to be a member of the republican party is to pledge feelty to donald trump. and liz cheney was kicked out of leadership because she didn't do that. so i have no faith whatsoever that republicans are going to suddenly see the light and come along and come up with a bipartisan deal. and remember that it's not just kevin mccarthy. mitch mcconnell s

joe biden. she and kevin mccarthy basically never interacted at all.i mean, is that potentially because she doesn't have any other options if she is going to lose her leadership position in the house? i mean, i get the sense, keeping trump away from the oval office is something she is very dedicated to. whether she can do that is another question. >> i think the first test of that will be whether or not she wins her primary in wyoming. and you had matt gaetz out there traveling to her state, talking about taking her out. matt gaetz doesn't have the same kind of political stroke that he had before these investigations. that will be the first thing to look at. and there will be two sides to this conversation. it's, does liz cheney think she can be successful in her own party and what does her party think of hers. but back to the question you're hinting at is, what's your definition of success? is her definition of success seeing her name atop of a presidential ticket, or just not seeing a former president's ticket name on the top of a presidential ticket

. >>> plus, joe biden's national climate advisor gina mccarthy on what the big push for trucks are on the country and not formally calling for a ceasefire in gaza. it all starts now. >>> good evening from new york. house minority leader kevin mccarthy announced that he would be opposing the bipartisan inquirey into the january 6 insurrection. it comes after months of negotiations that he was party to. there are probably a lot of reasons for this announcement. one of the reasons is mccarthy is part of the big lie and everything surrounding it. here he is two days after the insurrection. >> president trump won this election, so everybody who is listening, do not be quiet. do not be silent about this. we cannot allow this to happen before our very eyes. >> we cannot allow this to happen before our very eyes. trump won the election, unequivocal. it's easy, of course, to focus on donald trump's role in the insurrection, but trump saying we have to stop them from stealing it was the general rhetorical call in the days and weeks after the election. not, we'll wait, count the votes, see who w