speaking as joe minner it, which is difficult to do without a beard, the simplest way is to try to level the playing field and approach the objectives of what was accomplished in 1986, which was a bipartisan agreement that simplified the structure, lowered rates and ignited what both sides i think would agree was a great growth europe. the question is how do you do that today in a different political environment? that is why i think the paper we have just written says eliminate preferences come a lower the rates as far as they would go, which would be 28%, which puts us in the average cannot declare victory and go home but at least show some progress and get some growth going and you can go from there. so thank you for asking. role ced can uniquely play, but it has to be all of us that play the role organically as members and friends of ed. hands --see a show of i assume you're all involved in businesses of different sizes. rate and topate rate was passed -- for pass-throughs was 28%, would that work for your business is? that is weird. ok. is that because 28 is too high or you just don'