pastor joe pebbles is talking about what tore apart jericho city of praise and why he was fired fromrch built by his mother, betty pebbles. >> it's a hostile takeover of a church ministry. >> reporter: with his wife, pastor joe pebbles is talking for the first time about how a small group of employees took control of his mother's church. jericho city of praise after she died in 2010. >> did your mother say to you, joel, i want you to take my place? joel, i want you to be in charge? >> about 1,000 times. she believed in passing the mantel, not that the church is a birth right. but it is also, ministry is a calling. >> did your mother ever say to you, i'm changing the plan? >> absolutely not. >> pebbles took the board of trustees to court where a judge ruled peebles its not on the board and employees are the lawful board of trustees governing jericho. >> reporter: i have had folks say to me that the janitor is now in charge of the church. is the janitor in charge of the church? >> the chief operating officer is the janitor. the janitor receives money and her car. one of the other perso

joe pebbles considered the heir, he was ousted by church leadership on wednesday. the board was created by decree by his mother's will. she died in 2010, and since then there has been a disagreement about the management of the assets of the church. this has been characterized by lawsuits and even claims leveled by each respective side that they were in league with satan. the minister has called for cool heads to prevail and called for his followers to not hate. he said in his vision of a church, it will continue and go on. >> the eyes of the world are looking at us right now. some people are looking at us to see if we are going to be angry or difficult or are we going to give people a hard time. we are going to be a beacon light to show the world that when you go through a difficult season, you come out of that season stronger and you come out with victory. >> and that is sort of the sense among the congress tkpwrau tkpwaeugs. they say it's a new beginning for this church, this institution here in prince georges county. it looks like it will be difficult going forw

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