today, our political commentator joe phillips and broadcaster claire martin. e first, what are they achieving by chucking soup over paintings? oh, good. >> i mean, it's very interesting that dale vince, the founder of ecotricity, you know, who was a great supporter and funder of stop oil and his counterpart in america, both of those very wealthy men stopped funding the just stop oil protests a year or maybe a little bit longer ago because they said that these things have become performative protests, they're not about policy. they're not going to change anybody's mind. they're just going to annoy people, and they got it so spectacularly wrong. if you remember a while ago, there was that ridiculous thing where they did a big protest at canning town holding up, you know, security guards , up, you know, security guards, cleaners, nurses, teachers, people going to school. it doesn't get your message across. it just makes it look like vandalism, and i don't really see i mean, i'm perfectly supportive of people having the right to protest. it's not violent. it didn't