that's crazy. >> shortly after leaving death row, sabrina married the guard she'd met in prison, joe porterad children. i never -- never owned a house. within the first five years, we owned our first house. it was just what i had asked god for. sabrina's the best wife that any man could ever want to ask for. >> the fact that she had this lovely, solid person to go out and build a life with was desperately important. if there's one thing that dictates how the people who have been exonerated get on in life, it's the fact they have a good, strong, decent spouse. >> today sabrina and joe live with their three children in columbus. but sabrina has found it difficult to return to normal life. >> as far as my struggles, yeah. having a job, i can't seem to find a job anywhere. i don't know why. my case has been expunged. i have trust issues. i don't trust people. i don't trust the police. i will always have sad thoughts because, you know, i think of all the things that i did wrong. i think of all the things that i could have did, you know, to save him. i think of leaving him at the house by hiss se

guest joe lauria in washington he's editor in chief of consortium news dot com and author of how i lost by hillary clinton with a forward by julian assange also in washington we have gareth porter he's an independent investigative journalist and historian as well as author of manufactured crisis the untold story of the around nucular scare and in plymouth we cross to patrick and he is a journalist writer and founder of the news website twenty first century wired dot com all right gentlemen crosstalk rules in effect that means you can jump in anytime you want and i always appreciate it and i to open up by saying thanking all three of you to come here to speak out on the behalf of the profession known as journalism it's a pretty scarce profession at least. acted out in live by professionals so i'm glad that you're here gareth let me go to you first and let's talk about journalism because julian assange is his case his case study as it were is a precedent.

guest joe lauria in washington he's editor in chief of consortium news dot com and author of how i lost my hillary clinton with a forward by julian assange also in washington we have gareth porter he's an independent investigative journalist and historian as well as author of manufactured crisis the untold story of the around nucular scare and in plymouth we cross to patrick and he is a journalist writer and founder of the news website twenty first century wired dot com all right gentlemen crosstalk rules in effect that means you can jump in anytime you want and i always appreciate it and i to open up by saying thanking all three of you to come here to speak out on the behalf of the profession known as journalism. it's pretty scarce profession at least. acted out in the live by professionals so i'm glad that you're here gareth let me go to you first and let's talk about journalism because julian a songe is his case his case study as it were is a precedent in the making and it really galls me that the profession cannot see the slippery slope that we're all staring down at once it happens to julian assange as a publisher then who's next go ahead kara. well i can't agree anymore w