ok, let's bring in joe reuben, he's a former us deputy assistant secretary of state. he's joining us by skype from chevy. chase in maryland. just outside washington, d. c. good. happy with us. on our 0. there was a lot of stuff, talked at this nato some that was just a box ticking exercise or was this something tangible taken away from this? rob, it's great to be with you. and certainly there are always boxes to be take to diplomatic meetings related to climate change and trade, the economy, obviously the security arrangements in afghan, it's dan and dealing with russia. but there is a bigger picture vision here for president biden in, for the nato partners, which is to say that the alliance is strong, and that it's where there's some difficult years in the political pressures against it. and that it's not going anywhere and sending a message as a result of that to russia in particular. and of course, also to, to china and other competitors that the western democracies that are represented in this alliance aren't going to change their tune just yet. there wasn't reall