elon musk appearing on joe rogan's podcast for a marathon three-hour sit-down, the two men coming togreement on u.s. spending and doge and more. welcome to fox news live. i'm griff jenkins. we'll have more on those stories coming up. we begin with a fox news alert. ukrainian president is meeting in the u.k. with prime minister keir starmer after the dispute with president trump in the oval office. this leaves the future of russia and ukraine in doubt this weekend. lucas tomlinson is in palm beach, florida where we start things. hey, lucas. >> good afternoon, griff. president trump is at his winter white house in mar-a-lago, sticking a tee in the ground today, one day after that unprecedented, as you mentioned, meeting in the oval office. nobody has seen something that contentious in the white house ever. the meeting went off the rails 40 minutes in, as a reporter asked president trump if he's aligning himself too much with vladimir putin. president trump responded he's trying to keep in the middle between ukraine and russia. and vice-president j.d. vance jumped in and wants to see di

elon musk would have wanted to have been there but with joe rogan.g on, pope francis is rested after his respiratory condition suddenly worsened yesterday. rachel: jeff is live with more. reporter: good morning. after several days of seemingly slow improvements and the vatican saying last night that pope francis suffered from isolated breathing crisis, though they tell us he had a quiet night and he's resting, but this is the second time pope francis has suffered some sort of medical crisis in the span of about a week or so. and the pope was helped with a mask that covered his nose and mouth and breathing normally and in good spirits and pope francis experienced a bronco 135678 and the area that connects the windpipe to thelings tightened in the pope's case and led to vomiting with inhalation and pope francis remained alert and the pope spent 15 nights at the hospital in rome where catholics continue to show up and pray more the pope's full recovery. >> we're one with the pope in this situation. we come here to pray for him and as we believe that we

simon, let's start with this interview musk did with joe rogan.he first time musk has discussed his work inside the government in such detail. what are your takeaways from these comments? musk made even his threat that he wouldn't be able to push so hard otherwise it would risk getting him killed. >> yeah, it was. >> really a fascinating conversation. i think it's the first time that musk has gone into such detail, and this is really a safe space for musk. i mean, in many moments in that long interview, it went on for about three hours. you know, he was acting almost like he and joe rogan were the only ones in the room. but in reality, he was talking about, you know, first of all, his, as he puts it, all access pass in terms of security clearance and talking very freely about some of the information that he had obtained through his through his access to the government's secrets. another thing that really jumped out at me is just how well he has come to understand the inner workings of the government's computer systems, and he seems to have really

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federal workers told once again to justify their work as elon musk joined joe rogan for a wide-ranginging doge is a threat to bureaucracy, not democracy. the office of personnel management e-mail came four hours after the end of the business day and asked employees to reply with approximately five bullets describing what you accomplished last week and cc your manager. going forward the message said, please complete the above task each week by mondays at1:59 p.m. --1:59 'em9. peter: the best part i saw so far was from the transportation secretary. here's my five things. [laughter] i'm getting fired. rachel: he's not getting fired. he's not getting doge'd. listen, elon musk always a went on with joe rogan to talk about this, you know, to talk about this bureaucracy, this stubborn, stuck in the mud bureaucracy and saying you can decide, america, if you want a bureaucracy running your country or if you actually want a democracy run by the people. listen. >> -- should be celebrating that we've found a way to cut out fraud and waste. >> yeah. >> if you pay taxes and you don't like that you h

this is what he had to say to joe rogan yesterday about social security. >> social security. is the biggest ponzi scheme of all time. >> well explain that. >> oh so. well, people. >> pay into. >> social security and. >> and the money goes. >> out of social. security immediately. but the obligation for social. >> security is. your entire retirement career. >> so you're. >> you're paying. >> with your the you're. paying like like if you look at the future. obligations of social. >> security. >> it far exceeds the tax revenue. antifa if you ever looked at. >> the. >> debt, the debt clock. >> that is an incoherent answer. it's nonsense. it doesn't even explain, nor does it accurately describe what a ponzi scheme actually is. and it's kind of surprising that elon musk would not know that. well, convincing. trying to convince joe rogan it is actually frightening to 20 million americans who are lifted out of poverty every year, thanks to social security and to the rest of us who pay into it and want to see it continue to help the elderly in america not go broke. it still does matter

. >> he was on joe rogan today saying that social security is a, you know, ponzi scheme or something.of that, right. social security. >> so waste, fraud. >> and abuse doesn't. >> actually mean. >> waste and abuse. >> it means things. >> he doesn't like. so i don't. >> think that they. >> saw any of. >> this coming, because when you would talk to trump voters, they wouldn't believe that. >> trump was. >> going to do any. >> of these. >> stuff that trump said he was going to do, and even like. >> project 2025. >> what i. think is, is interesting or problematic is that doge is really just enacting a lot of project 2025, right? you know. taking the government down to the studs, making. everything much smaller. >> dismantling the administrative state. >> these were all the ideas behind project 2025. what what happened? there was sort of this perfect storm where elon went in there and did it. now, again, a lot of this stuff in the courts, they're losing about. but the question is, will they follow what the court rulings are? >> david, i get that the average american. voter is. >> not thinki

but i get that that brought many of these young men into the arms of the likes of a joe rogan.ll of that. i absolutely get that. but these men, what they're accused of human trafficking. on what planet would it make sense for any part of the maga movement or the administration? alina habba, the president's former personal lawyer, now part of the administration, was just on a podcast with this guy saying, i'm a big fan of yours. how is this a smart move? how is this even a good move? again, this just goes back to decency. >> you're asking me, and i just want to say. >> because i think maybe you were a meathead back in the. >> day. >> i hate you for inviting me on the show and forcing me to learn about andrew tate. >> who i. >> was able to live blissfully without. >> not anymore. >> i had to prepare for this show. >> look, i think. >> it's part of a whole. idea out there. that there was a better time in america. >> a better. >> time in our culture. and for some people, that's a time when men dominated. and women were subordinate to men. and i think that's part of it. and i don't

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they're turning more to alternative media to pod cast, including pro trump podcasts like joe rogan and opinion is shifting. and then we just have the we, you can look at the, the pattern of american support for wars. the us support for the iraq war was almost total, even though it was based entirely on this information. and once the body bags came home and this information faded, the american public completely turned against it in by 2006. george w bush's approval rating was in the low twenty's. that's the process we're undergoing right now. we're the american public sort of waking up from the propaganda and trump's position on this proxy war will continue to strengthen over time. all right, donald trump junior re posted a video of, of, of, of conscription, sat in the mobilizations in, in ukraine. and commentators express us todd surprise and disbelief of what they saw up give us an idea how. where are the american people in public about what is really going on on the streets and in ukraine generally. what is the point of a proxy war, or the hybrid war that the american national securi

. ♪ joey: cost cutting in dc and so many don't know why doge is getting so much hate, including joe roganproblem with the doge stuff and everybody should be celebrating that we've found a way to cut freighted andway and if you pay taxes and find out there's fraud and waste, you should celebrate this. shouldn't be oh, no, the wrong people found this fact and now it's a bad thing. gjoey: again, doge is sending another round of e-mails asking for five bullet points of what they completed that week. this time they have to respond. maddie. reporter: an interview for about three hours, elon musk defended the work of doge with the inefficiency within the federal government is worse than he thought. some projects that are legitimate have to be funded and took aim at usaid and nongovernmental organizations calling the latter a scam. this week more usaid workers cleared their desks as trump administration moves to dismantle the industry. >> the fundamental weakness of >> these are cuts that doge recommends to the department and usually they're folled. reporter: doge saved taxpayers billions and som

the highlights from musk's interview with podcaster joe rogan next. ♪ ♪ [car honking] [notification]from start to finish. [music playing] ♪ while you check in anytime. ♪ and get the most money back on your time. now, this is taxes. ♪ hayden: the fact st. jude will take care of all this, this is what's keeping my baby girl alive. chelsea: it's everything for us. we wouldn't know what to do. we couldn't afford for our little girl to survive. and st. jude gives us that. [music playing] jon: elon musk is defending the cuts made by doge this in a 3-hour interview with podcaster joe rogan. madeleine rivera has more. >> reporter: in an interview that spanned about three hours, elon musk defended the work of doge saying the inefficiency within the federal government is worse than he thought. while he says some projects that appear to be, quote, legitimate have to be funded, he took aim at a usaid and nongovernmental organizations, calling the last err a scam. this week more usaid workers cleared their desks as the trump administration moves to dismantle the agency. >> the fundamental weaknes

elon musk was actually on the joe rogan experience podcast.e a quick listen to that. >> they say that trump is a threat to our democracy, which is ironic, he was elected with majority of the popular vote. they're saying i was a threat to democracy. if you just replace threat to democracy with bureaucracy, that makes sense, that the revolution could succeed, restore power to the people instead of to the bureaucracy. >> there's a complaint that what elon musk is doing isn't fair because he's not elected. you are the elected officials to weave this into spending bills, how americans' money is being spent. is that who you you look at it? >> i think we are. we look at it of a high perspective, donald trump, president trump brought what is probably the greatest entrepreneur, a man who looks at complex ideas, brings the answers to the table. we are using the things not only that he's bringing to the table, but we also as members of congress have a responsibility as the chairman of government reform and oversight, government operations committee, last

it is still a small fraction of joe rogan, but we are trying to be a part of this landscape. the last thing i will say, to lure people in, to read our essays about malign influence, the eric adams case, fara, faqa. we have two cooking columns, pets every friday. our first tire was a humor columnist. we have just hired a very prominent culture writer who will be taking over our culture pages. we are sending a sports reporter to spring training, talking about the commonalities between spring training, and we are now in spring training for democracy as we embark on this for-year flight. i gave away the lead of my story which i'm cowriting with this sports columnist going to florida. and if we do not figure out -- not reach everybody -- but you need a governing mass of the american people. if we cannot persuade a governing mass of the american people of these issues, in pretty short order, we have to build this and break through in the next four years, or i fear we are in for a long winter indeed. if we cannot solve that problem, american democracy, and therefore the world, will

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will check yourself in a way where you are not just saying, hey, i saw on read a," or "i saw on joe rogan," i saw a report from cdc or where you are equating one or the other. they are not the same thing. the other thing, you need to get involved. getting involved can take a lot of different forms, right? start a book club, start a conversation, go to a city council meeting. stop paying attention to national politics, where ironically you have the least amount of impacts, and pay attention to local politics, where they would love for you to show up. they are begging for people to be interested in it. if you want politics to be happy and entertaining, like wrestling, go to a city council meeting. those things are wild i really recommend it. host: we would like to chat with some callers. this is barbara on our line for democrats. you are out first with casey burgat. caller: hi. ok, i'm listening to what you are saying, and here are a couple of thoughts. first of all, we do not teach social studies anymore in a lot of these schools. and people don't know where to search for trusted informati

. ♪ ♪ molly: elon musk touting doge's massive cuts on the joe rogan podcast.eine rivera is in washington with the very latest on the slashing spree as it continues. madeleine. >> reporter: good morning, molly. in an interview that spanned about three hours, elon musk defended the work of doge saying the inefficiency within the federal government is worse than he thought. while he says some projects that appear to be, quote, legitimate have to be funded, he took aim at usaid and nonif governmental organizations calling the latter a scam. this week more us an -- us january aid workers cleared their desks as the trump administration moves to dismantle the agency. >> the fundamental weakness of western severallization -- civilization is empathy. the empathy exploit. >> reporter: doge is the subject of a number of lawsuits, some concerning its axis -- excess and transparency. officials connected to doge are ordered to testify in court on its efforts the reshape the federal government. musk says it provides recommendations to different departments. >> these are cuts

. ♪ griff: in a a more than 3-hour sit-down with joe rogan, elon musk touted doge's push to the cut governmentpending which he says will save the country tens of billions of dollars a year. madeleinely very or rah is here live with more on set. maddie, it was a marathon podcast. >> reporter: yeah, this was rate wide-ranging, and they talked about a bunch of topics, but we'll be talking about what doge has been doing. in his conversation, elon musk defended the work of doge saying inefficiency within the federal government is worse than he thought. while he says some projects appear to be legitimate and have to be funded, he took aim at usaid and nonif governmental organizations, calling the latter a scam. this week more usaid workers cleared their desks as the trump administration moves to dismantle the agency. >> the fundamental weakness of western civilization is empathy. the empathy exploit. they're -- they're exploiting a bug in western civilization. >> reporter: doge is the subject of a number of lawsuits, some concerning its access, authority and transpart city. -- transparency. a federa

this was to joe rogan.n on the other side. >> social security is the biggest ponzi scheme of all time. people are living way longer than expected, and there are fewer babies being born. so you have more people who are retired and live for a long time and get retirement payments so the future obligation, and however bad the financial situation is right now for the federal government it would be much worse in the future. >> senator, president trump says he's not going to touch social security. elon musk calls it a ponzi scheme. do you agree? >> i think with musk other the wealthiest guy in the world is outrageous. that's a hell of a ponzi scheme when for the last 40 years social security has paid out every nickel to every eligible american, quite a ponzi scheme. what is, in fact, a problem is if we don't make reforms and improve the funding mechanism over the next nine years the social security trust fund which provides about 20% of the funding will go broke. so what we have got to do, and i think most americ

he goes on for three hours on joe rogan. he goes on for 25 hours on six other podcasts.and he is relentlessly pounding the narrative. democrats need to understand that's the new attention economy. if you're not shaping it, you are. you are. you are being shaped by it. >> here's one like. >> he always donald trump likes to tell you that. >> he knows the art of a deal. he knows how to do a deal. well, wait a second. in his first term, he did a deal with china. he tried to do a deal with north korea. and he also talked about the usmc deal there and the afghans deal. there's one constant in all of these. he put publicity ahead of principle. he is actually the worst negotiator. and we should be actively pointing out and saying, here's the other course we would take. you never leave that field for him. i would not do that because he has to be confronted now. i would be more selective. i would not go. as i've said before, i wouldn't go sit there in my first protest, be in front of usaid office. i would pick a place that matters to the american people. i would go to a grocery st

fun fact he was the one who first said to joe rogan, have you ever heard of these things called podcasts? it's dave foley. and joining michael, she's the representative from texas 30th congressional district. and if she's got good posture, that's because lately she's the only democrat with a spine. it's congresswoman jasmine crockett. all right, let's get to the biggest stories of the week. amber and dave, i'll start with you. i'm going to show you a clip package referencing a major news event from this week. you looked at the package. tell me, what is the story? >> helicopters. where aren't they? that's a russian flag. and that's ukraine flag. there's a contract and no, no, no, there was a deal that was going to be signed between the united states and the ukraine. uh, it's called they're calling it a deal. it was it was more of like an extortion. um. to sign over the rare earth minerals. vibranium. yeah. yes. >> you had points right up to vibranium. >> yeah. >> yes. that is the story, mr. zelenskyy, the ukrainian president, came to washington to nail out a deal over rare earth minerals.

musk also just appeared on joe rogan's podcast, a three hour plus interview in which musk claimed hisncy discovered massive fraud, abuse and waste in federal government without any proof or pushback. meanwhile, gop lawmakers back home are facing blowback from their constituents over all these cuts. but trump is sticking by his man, musk. can democrats turn this into a winning issue? >> look, this is the winning issue. democrats should not stand for the status quo or be the grand defenders of waste, fraud and abuse, but they certainly should stand up in opposition to the wealthiest man in the world, giving the president united states $300 million to buy his way into control of the cabinet, buy his way into standing with the president's cabinet, looking like a fool in a t shirt and a hat. same time lying about where the true nature of waste, fraud and abuse is in the government because he's ignoring it. you want to find waste, fraud and abuse. let's look at the tens of billions of dollars that get sent to musk's companies. you want to look at waste fraud. >> musk gets government money.

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but as elon musk made clear during the three hour stop on joe rogan's podcast friday, he's got a prettyon of waste. >> only the federal government could get away with this level of waste, of waste. it's mostly waste. it's mostly not fraud. it's mostly waste. it's mostly just ridiculous things happening. >> because they've been able. >> to do it. this way for. >> so long. they've become accustomed to it. >> yeah. i mean, it's like milton friedman said, like money is most poorly spent when you're spending someone else's money on people you don't know, how much are you going to care, right? and that's the that's the federal government. >> someone else's money on people you don't know. okay. so using that logic, let's just take a look at what musk has done. cancer research. apparently that's a waste. even if it's for 911 firefighters, still a waste. how about medicaid health coverage? you know, for people in or near the poverty level? apparently that's both fraud and waste. spending money to try to hire more veterans? well, that's a dei program, according to musk. so that's a waste, too. an

joe. >> rogan puts them. >> on his podcast. and that's been fox news.n fox news. millions of people have. >> heard them. and that's true. >> it's 100% true. the difference is that it used to be. >> the role of the media was to say, actually. >> we're not going to amplify fake things. we're not going to say, you know, oh, look, everyone's talking about this. if what they're talking about is false. and so the challenge. for republicans. >> not for. >> trump. >> because he exists. >> in this. >> universe and he helps create this. >> universe. >> but for republicans. >> who are responsible to constituents, is. that they. exist in a. >> world where they don't hear any of. >> the contrary information. >> they literally don't. >> they hear from their base. >> and they hear from. >> you know, their their colleagues and their. peers that this is how the. world is when that's not how the world is. and then they go out into the world and they learn how the world is, and it can be jarring. >> what are you talking about? jesse watters last week, he also talked about