to discuss this step in california joe schrank joins me from los angeles he's the founder and director of high sobriety a rehab clinic that helps heroin addicts overcome their habits by using cannabis mr shank it's good to see you how do you feel about this development considering the work that you do and the current opioid crisis in the united states well you know this is actually helped with cannabis available all the research is clear of this there's twenty five percent of your overdose deaths in states that have this kind of this is. there's no sense in criminalizing drug use we're more than supportive of the recreational decriminalization and legalization of candidates and we're actually going to the revenue the tax revenue will help people have. ok in terms of pot being potentially helpful can you explain harm reduction to us a little bit. sure are made auction low powered auction is all around us right whether it's a bike helmet whether it's a seat belt or an airbag in a car condom we're constantly looking to reduce harm in our lives there is no lethal dose of cannabis unlike al

abby: joe schrank, founder and director of high sobriety, thank you for your insights. thank you very much. happy new year. abby: much of the world has spent today recovering from last night's party welcoming in the new year. but not everyone is nursing a sore head. those with get up and go, got up and went to all sorts of healthy activities. let's take a look. reporter: believe it or not this was london on new year's day. with all the cheerleaders and marching bands, it could have just as well been new york. in fact, many of the 10,000 participants were visiting from the united states. across the north sea in the netherlands, it was just as chilly. but that didn't put people off their annual new year dip. the water was warmer than last year they said, and they all believe they did -- a cold dip keeps you healthy. this tradition has been going for 70 years now. >> it's a tough thing to do. if you make the smallest mistake you can hurt yourself, and we don't want to hurt ourselves. we want to go home and have a plate of spaghetti. reporter: in berlin, people were no less