let me bring in former navy admiral and former congressman joe sestak. john mccain says these air strikes have been ineffective. i don't see how that could be a conclusion he could reasonably draw. what's your response? the people on the ground, s kurds themselves and refugees all credited the strikes. we have an aircraft carrier out there that is going to continue to do strikes in order to stop isis' advance. in the meantime, we are provide being arms to the kurds. cia already began to do that and not a question in my mind we'll get sufficient armed forces, not our men and women to the iraqi government. it is it theirs to own. military can stop a problem, michael, but we can't fix a problem. if we're going to fix this problem, we have to make sure the kurds and sunnis and shia own it. that's why the president is also working on a political resolution. removing maliki, having someone come in who's a shia but inclusive of the sunni tribes, that they won't want the sunni isis terrorist embedded with them. this is pretty delicate situation. i think we're do

let me bring in former navy admiral and former pennsylvania congressman joe sestak. good to have you with us. you were in military intelligence 30 years in the navy. your assessment of what you know to this point? how far and how long will this go? is that something that can be answered? >> well, i think what the president had to do was set certain benchmarks for a mission and weigh the cost and benefits at each step of the benchmarks, one of them is humanitarian air lift. you mentioned it. we can do that. that's pretty easy. we can do it safely and drops of humanitarian supplies. the second one is using artillery from the air, aircraft in order to stop the advance of isil. i think the president is correct and here's why. this is the richest terrorist organization of any of them. and we can't permit them to have substantial territory in iraq that's a safe haven that with their money they can eventually influence bad things in western europe and in america. no ground troops but the kurds and iraqi government forces with aid from us can do the grunt groundwork. our job