now, they are not really frontier, that's agricultural, but joe shelby is that confederate general and in border roping. these are not frontier in the sense of unincorporated into the american economy, we have well established institutions. so i think due to the nature of guerrilla warfare, when you literally have neighbors fighting against neighbors, and when you've got to control the civilian population, on both sides, so when people are raiding, even before they start killing, they are raiding people's houses, they are arresting people and enacting fines, they are robbing the confederates are robbing people and the union forces are, you know, burning people out. i mean, it cycles up and cycles up very quickly. and you have a few figured um like bloody bill anderson who are leaders emphasizing the ruthlessness and pushing it. so again, it's on both sides. they are decorating their bridles with anderson's men's scalps as well. it appears on both sides. it's not a morality tale of good against darkness, as much as i believe slavery is bad, in missouri both sides are very ruthless. i th

that's agricultural, but joe shelby is the confederate general and border roughian, he owned a rope factory and he made rope and sold it. these are not frontier in the sense of, like, unsettled, unincorporated into the american economy. they've got well-established civil institutions and market institutions. so i think it's due to the nature of knerr iguerilla warfae you have neighbors fighting against neighbors and you've got to control the civilian population on both sides, and so, you know, when people are raiding and before they start killing they're raiding people's houses. they're arresting people and enacting fines. they are robbing, the confederates are robbing people and the union forces are, you know, bringing people out. it cycles up and it cycles up very quickly and who are leaders who are emphasizing the ruthlessness and pushing it, but again, it's on both sides. a lot of the men are fighting anderson. they are decorating their bridles and saddles with anderson men's scalps, as well. so it appears on both sides. this is not a morality tale on the side of good as a side of darkn

comes to the attention of a nurpds editor who had been a confederate missouri saflry commander, joe shelby, this is john neumann edwards. he comes back from exile in mexico with a plan to bring the confederates back in politics and take over the democratic party. if they can quince missourians they were a southern state, he creates the myth of the unionist coming from kansas and terrorizing missouri and turning it into missouri men that stood up for their rights, even though he's strongly a confederate. he sees jesse james as an ally. in fact, jesse james begins to write letters to his newspaper, the kansas city times, in which he says, listen i'm incident, it's those damned radicals that are targeted me because i stood up for southern rights because i'm a confederate and he said i'll be damned if they take me alive. i'm anyoinnocent but i'll fightl the end. that was the message he sends. any allies, he and his brother ally with the younger brothers and former confederates and they carry out robberies and their absolutely criminals. they're violent men, especially jesse james, 16, emersed

shelby and josh. of course, this was -- go ahead, rick. >> i just want to mention about joe arpaio. people can disagree about whether he should be pardoned or not or whether what he did is correct or incorrect. in terms of the process, think about the process where the president of the united states goes to effectively a political rally and uses as a political ploy. that's a mockery to the judicial system, where the president indeed does have the right to pardon people as he sees fit. but to use it as a campaign sort of a political maneuver is disgusting. >> to get some hoots and hollers and cheers from the crowd. >> wow. this image. >> yeah. >> i think it's interesting to watch this, knowing that president trump doubled down on his charlottesville comments last night. while the nation is still healing. there are obviously still wounds. >> and you can hear some folks in the background cheering, as well. >> workers there covering the statue of robert e. lee in charlottesville, virginia. it is unclear at this point what happens now. that is obviously a temporary fix. there was not a m