what do you read into joe simon's comments? >> it's hard to read much into it. to you have to? that some was a tautology. i think he's talking about how it can be difficult to force significant divestitures, something we would call a breakup. in order to get that type of remedy at court, you need to show that it's really necessary. tautologicalf a comment, but i think that is what he means. emily: would you agree? there have been questions given that the ftc recently find facebook $5 million -- $5 billion for violations, but critics say that fine did not go far enough. do you agree that he has what it takes for the agency has what it takes to make that leap if they have to? >> i think he was really stating the fact that that is a remedy antitrust's need to consider. i would not expect it out of joe simon considering how he handled privacy violations. $5 billion sounds like a lot, but it's not going to change anything or protect the american people from privacy violations. i do not expect to see anything aggressive coming out of the said ministry should, but thes

joe simon said his agency is ready to get down and dirty. if you have to come you do it.ecause it is messy, but if you have to come you have to. the ftc is investigating facebook, including acquisitions and antitrust probe. that is one of the big tech companies being targeted by the trump administration. to discuss, charlotte lehman joins us. before that, she was part of the anti-competitive practices division. we have the director of the enforcement policy. she served as an assistant attorney general in the antitrust bureau of new york state as well as sarah friar. >> it is hard to read much into it. if you have to come you have to. what he is talking about is it sourcedifficult to significance, something we would call a breakup. in order to get that remedy at court, you need to show it is necessary. a comment but that is what he means, -- means. emily: the ftc recently find facebook. critics said that find it not go far enough. do you agree that the agency has what it takes to make that leap if they have to? he was dating the fact that as a remedy that every enforcer ne

i would not expect it out of joe simons, given how he handled the consent decree violations. sounds like a lot but it will not change anything or protect the american people from privacy abuses. i don't expect anything aggressive out of this administration, however these investigations take a long time so it might not need joe simons making the decision on the proper remedy. emily: you have a new piece out in bloomberg's this week that speaks to how facebook has evolved under scrutiny for regulators after this penalty and yourd by the ftc assessment is facebook is only getting stronger. sarah: if you think about it logically, data is the most important part of the business model and that is what is at the bedrock of 70 billion advertising businesses. the ftc is telling facebook it is important that you do not share your most valuable asset with any third parties, and facebook already buttoned it up. they already understand that owning the network and owning a much bigger network and making that big or is most important -- bigger is most important for their business. the ftc s

whether it's facebook, and joe simons spoke to amazon and the issue around third-party sellers., you know, it takes years of investigation before an enforcer will breakup a company. in our history when it's been done, it's taken time. it may be after the 2020 election and we could have a different decision maker making the ultimate decision. and the concerns he voiced about amazon are also very important, that it's not allowed to enforce rules it said it was going to do in terms of enforcing low pricing. emily: how concerning is the amazon issue in your mind? charlotte: well, the ftc certainly wants to make sure that competition is happening fairly on the amazon platform, so small retailers ought to be able to compete and not worry that amazon will anti-competitively interfere with them. so, i think that's the type of thing the ftc is going to be looking for. emily: in response to the ftc penalty on facebook, alex stamos, the former chief security officer at facebook, had a pretty striking tweet, saying i can't believe facebook didn't pay for more if the ftc ordered amazon to he

joe simon said his agency is ready to get down and dirty of necessary.o, you do it, not ideal because it's messy, but if you have to, you have to. the sec is currently investigating facebook. this is one of the big tech companies being targeted by the trump administration, to discuss in washington, charlotte joined us. before that, she was part of the anti-competitive practices committee. before that she served as an assistant attorney general in the antitrust bureau of new york state. as well as terrelle pryor. to you have to, that's almost proctology. i think when he is talking about is that it can be difficult to force significant divestiture, something we would probably break out. and in order to get that type of in court, you need to show it's necessary. sort of a tautological comment. but i think that's what he's getting at there. emily: sally, would you agree -- there's certainly been a lot of questions given that the ftc fined facebook, but critics say that didn't go far enough. you know, do you agree that the agency has what it takes to make tha

however these investigations take a long time, so it might not be joe simons making the decisions onroper remedy. whether it should be broken up or a different type of contact. emily: meanwhile, you have a new piece out in bloomberg businessweek that speaks to how facebook has evolved under scrutiny from regulators after this fine penalty was levied by , the ftc, and your assessment is facebook is only getting stronger. how so? sarah: if you think about it logically, the data is the most important part of facebook's business model. that's what is at the bedrock of 70 billion advertising businesses. the ftc is basically telling facebook now it is very important that you do not share your most valuable asset with any third parties, and facebook had already buttoned it up. they already don't want to share data with third parties, they understand that owning the network and owning a much bigger network, and making that bigger is most important thing for the future of their business. so really, what ftc did was let the company continue on their current path and have an excuse to do things

what do you read into joe simons' comments?otte: it's hard to read much into it, if you have to, you have to, that's almost a tautology. i think what he's talking about is it can be difficult to force significant divestiture, what we'd call a breakup. in order to get that remedy at court you need to show it's really necessary. so again, sort of a taut logical comment butening -- a taut ological comment but i think that's what he means. emily: would you agree, they fined facebook but critics said the fine didn't go far enough. do you agree? that he has what it takes or the agency has what it takes to make that leap if they have to? >> i think he was really stating the fact that that is a remedy that every antitrust enforcer needs to consider. i wouldn't really expect it out of joe simon given how he handled the facebook consent decree violations, gave them a slap on the wrist. a $5 million fine sounds like a lot but it's not changing anything or protecting the american people. i don't expect to see anything aggressive coming out

. >> joe simon son from the "washington examiner." thanks for your time.ham is work on so-called back stop legislation to require the president's national security team to certify the move that withdrawing from afghanistan would not put the u.s. in danger. >> if we go to zero in afghanistan, just as sure as we are talking al qaeda and isis will regenerate. their intent is to hit sites abroad and here and they will. they are actively involved in trying to set up operations against america. i think they are more lethal than al qaeda. mike: u.s. taliban negotiators are working to end america's longest war. guilty, that's the verdict in a florida stand your ground case that testified national attention. a jury convicting michael draka in the murder of a black man after the two got into a dispute over a handicapped parking space last summer. >> it's been well over a year since we have been dealing with this matter. i can safely say i can rest now. reporter: he claims he shots the victim in self-defense off invoking stand your ground. tomorrow iseedtomorro -- to

but facebook in particular has been under fire it's being investigated by the ftc and chairman joe simonsndicated he's welling to break up the big tech companies if necessary. but he told the ft this week that process could get a lot more complicated if facebook moves ahead with its plans to integrate instagram and whatsapp he said, quote, it's harder if all the eggs are scrambled the fact that facebook as well as twitter had to shut down account this week that were part of a coordinated chinese disinformation campaign, that just underscores the power and influence of these platforms, facebook even acknowledges that rooting out this type of abuse is an ongoing challenge. >> thank you very much do you have a question >> no. >> i beg your pardon thank you very much. >>> we want to keep the conversation here. and bring in mike isaac, technology reporter for "the new york times," and nbc technology contributor sarah fisher, media reporter with axios. welcome to both of you sarah, let me start with you how imperiled is big tech if that's a good word to use or not. >> well, the spotlight is def

it came out long before the attack on pearl harbor, and we talked about in class that joe simon, jackirby, the people who produced what would later be called the marvel comics line of comics. they had a number of names back in the day. timely, atlas, etc., etc. they said, you know we are trying to make a statement against the isolation. let's just make our separate american peace with hitler, so he will leave us alone. we don't need to get involved in the world. let's just leave hitler alone and he will leave us alone. the poster said, when did hitler ever leave anybody alone if he had a chance to invade them? no, we need a hero that will express the need to fight hitler. there was a concern, because hitler was a dictator that might get killed at any time. that by the time this comic book hits the stands, that hitler might already be dead. and, they felt that might not be the worst outcome. let's put the comic out anyway, whether he is alive or dead by the time hits the stands. but, if you look at the captain america movie again, there is a lot of comics of hitler being punched in the

joe simon stopping short of saying the agency had launched an investigation amazon has said sellers haverices they set. investor mario gabelli is considering label action -- legal action against viacom over the merger with cbs. he says his stock is being bought for less than what he perceived as the market value. cbs and viacom agreed to merge in an all stock deal that is the bloomberg business flash. tom: i am glad you did the mario gabelli story. it is extraordinary to see a giant in media investment really turning, the dominant shareholder in viacom. it will be interesting to see that story forward. right now we go to hong kong, where you need to show your ticket and passport to get into the airport today. it is a changed hong kong. yvonne man has been giving us wonderful coverage from the airport. i am going to start with the same question i asked yesterday. what is different today versus yesterday? yvonne: where actually seeing a couple dozen protesters still sitting in here for a sixth straight day, but security has certainly been tight. if you are coming into the airport, passenge

but i'm going to say this, when it comes to what we're seeing, i'd rather with simone and what she was saying about joe biden, i would rather have a president who would have a gaffe than would lie to nme. so we're now in that element versus lies of gaffes, i'm going to stab you before you stab me. this is ridiculous. it's about people, politics, and it's about humanity. we've got to get off of that reality show mentality. >> and i have a problem with this part of his stick. this isn't new for him. i could see if this is something he found this new i'm going to rail against the press and media. i'm going to run for president in 2020. one thing we can say about bernie sanders that is impressive is he has been very very consistent his entire political career. i mean, this is the same bernie sanders. i just fundamentally have a problem of attempting to erode trust in our establishments. that's what donald trump did very well, and with that statement that bernie sanders made, literally we have to come back and say without fact, he cas casts casts casts aspersions. >> anybody will tell you, it's bezos. >> it

simone said. i think the fact you have a president that's the age of joe biden who seems to be mixing things up anduestion of is this guy ready to go up against trump, that's a fair thing. i don't expect the campaign to agree with that. the idea somehow people at cnn are asking questions or behaving in a certain way because of the ads that are playing on-air. as we all know, we don't know what ads are coming on while we're on-air, so you need to be able to -- if you're going to make that accusation, you better be able to offer some proof otherwise you are acting just like donald trump. >> but has it been beneficial to donald trump in some groups, brittany? meaning, is there a political price to pay on voters if the sanders camp keeps making unsubstantiated allegations like this? >> absolutely. especially with young voters and swing voters. and i want to touch a little bit on what joe biden's camp is saying because it's similar with bernie sanders, sure there's a media narrative and voter narrative, that's valid. but the voter narrative is not solidified and even in the polling bernie sanders among

might not be possible otherwise but immediately, i guess, joe biden put it on the record, is that how it happened? >> it was pretty close. simone sanders, the senior adviser, convened us all and pretty much right before it the vice president began to deliver opening remarks, he informed us the session will be on the record. the vice president ended up speaking for maybe 10 or 15 minutes, delivering his opening statement and then each of us were offered a chance to ask a couple questions and able to squeeze them in and 90 minutes later the vice president was still talking. >> i don't think anyone is surprised at that who knows joe biden. 90 minutes is a short run for him. nolan, what were the highlights of this session to your mind? >> i think some of the highlights were the fact that he was very vocal in talking about white supremacy and racism. he was very candid in saying that, you know, racism is a white man's problem. he was challenging white americans to be vocal about it, to speak out about it, to embarrass it, to really highlight things that are going on that shouldn't be happening in this country because he says that's

simone biles scored her sixth national title. the 22-year-old breaking record after record. so fast and smooth that the average joeshe is landing a triple-double, two flips, three twists. perfecti perfection. a feat never accomplished by a woman. then she was on a mission. biles went on the balance beam, a double, double dismount, two twists, two flips. perfection again. as "the today show" put it, it's less than a year before the 2020 olympics in tokyo and she's put the world on notice. it's important we acknowledge her courage to move her sport forward off the mat. biles abused herself by larry nassar, one of hundreds, who is serving a 60 year prison sentence. she gave an interview where she made it clear she feels betrayed by u.s. gymnastics. while she might be the most dominant athlete her sport has ever seen, she's a beacon of truth and courage. >> i don't mean to cry, but it's just hard coming here for an organization and having had them fail us so many times. we had one goal. we've done everything they asked us for, even when we didn't want to. they couldn't do one damn job. you literally had one job and yo

dagen: simone sanders, who works on the biden campaign, made a very, very strong passionate defense of joeut how the economy will fare. trade, trade, trade. that's what we will talk about for the next six months. dagen: before i go, made in the usa, lc king, east tennessee, been in business more than 100 years. jack king, follow him and buy their awesome men's clothing. thank you so much. tom, jessica and john. mr. varney, take it away. stuart: i shall. good morning, dagen. good morning, everyone. hong kong is the story of the day. it's the market mover, too. late developments. no flights out of the airport now. very few arrivals either. protesters using baggage carts as barricades in the departure area. reports of chinese military vehicles assembling just across the border, and the chief executive carrie lam says hong kong has been pushed to the brink of no return. sure looks like a confrontation coming. we'll see. >>> here's another market mover. interest rates. look at this. the yield on two-year treasuries is above the yield on ten-year treasuries. that is considered a signal that rece