i am trying to think like president bush on what would joe sixpack think of this. there seems to be a disconnect, no? >> when you look at what we are trying to do and afghanistan as expressed by president obama in the march, 2009, white paper and the december 1, 2009 speech in west point. it is minimal -- to deny, disrupt and to dismantle al qaeda. it is pretty minimal. at the same time, there is the assumption that an order for you to do that in afghanistan you have to create or you have to go down some pretty maximize means. you have to build a certain key institutions in afghanistan. >> nation-building, right? >> institution building. >> that is a shift in language. president obama was clear in his orders. this is not nation-building. if you switch the language to well, we are institution building, is that not sneaky? do you think a law professor in obama might get you. >> i learned in this book come the one thing" that obama said that did make sense was doing counterinsurgency operations to buy time it to build up afghan national security forces. that makes sen

i am trying to think like president bush on what would joe sixpack think of this. there seems to be a disconnect, no? >> when you look at what we are trying to do and afghanistan as expressed by president obama in the march, 2009, white paper and the december 1, 2009 speech in west point. it is minimal -- to deny, disrupt and to dismantle al qaeda. it is pretty minimal. at the same time, there is the assumption that an order for you to do that in afghanistan you have to create or you have to go down some pretty maximize means. you have to build a certain key institutions in afghanistan. >> nation-building, right? >> institution building. >> that is a shift in language. president obama was clear in his orders. this is not nation-building. if you switch the language to well, we are institution building, is that not sneaky? do you think a law professor in obama might get you. >> i learned in this book come the one thing" that obama said that did make sense was doing counterinsurgency operations to buy time it to build up afghan national security forces. that makes sen