russia has done over the centuries to ukraine, particularly joe stalin, where they murdered a generation of people there, and it's the bread basket of that area, a very fertile agricultural your yeah, what they have done over the years is absolutely ruhehorrend. ukraine is critical to putting the ussr back toort again. if they don't have the ukraine, they don't have the rest of them. what has he got for influence? 40% of the gas in the world going to europe. he proves he's willing to play it, but he's nothing more than a mafia thug. >> doesn't it prove, eric, in that area, all of europe and also the former caucasus, they should be developing their own energy so they're not reliant in having to deal with president putin? >> yeah, bob is right about that. that putin definitely uses the gas delivery to the other parts of europe as a stick, as a lot of the gas travels through some of the countries, and they're like, lay, it's traveling through us, but they're not paying them to do it, and also, he's using it. i think president obama was smart in saying exactly what he said, in the strongest