there's some good candidates now, third-party candidates, green party, joe stein, rocky andersen justice party and others at the more conservative persuasion that are on the ballot to give voters more choice. we have documented through litigation and our writings that this is a rather vicious two-party duopoly that doesn't want competition in increasingly calls for the same campaign dollars, so they become less and less different, especially in corporate issues and foreign and military policy. so i hope a lot of you will run for local office, state office, national law is, and try to run on third parties if you want to bring your conscience to your task. and it's easier to get on the ballot, the local, and that's where really it needs to start, build a two state and the national. anybody? yes. idea mike [inaudible] everything is rigged against an outsider. and your political career needs to be an example that everything looks great against you. what do have to say about that? >> first of all you have to demonstrated because you don't want them to get away with theory. you don't want them

first joe stein, a longtime teacher of a internal medicine. -- jill stein. as an already tile, we are permitting audience participation. we are in a downtown chicago. next is rocky anderson, the justice party nominee. [applause] next is half virgil hamilton. and finally gary johnson. [applause] and gary is the libertarian party nominee. the first question is are a mature system. this is from the free and equal elections foundation posting this debate and will be asked by christina tobin. >> thank you. we will start from the left to the right. here is our question. a top two primary is an election in which party labels appear on the ballot, but parties do not nominate candidates. instead, the candidates choose their own ballot label. all candidates run in the primary, but only the top two vote getters appear on the ballot in the november election. the system is p currently used in louisiana, washington state, and california. it is now a ballot member prop 21. what is your position on the top two primary system and why? >> we'll start with jill stein. >> thank

host: gary johnson or joe stein, everyone should take a look of the third-party debates. facebooking.com/cspan. and the reuters story. officials at the white house and the state department were advised two hours after attackers attacked benghazi that an islamic group had claimed credit for the attack. official e-mails show. this is a story posted yesterday from reuters. if you are interested. the twoouse told hours after the attack according to e-mails. we are talking to light the ciders. how and when did you make up your mind? -- we are talking to 08 deciders. how and when did you make up your mind? we will try to find this story for you. here we go. here is the "usa today." voters face proposal to change state laws to regulate the sale of marijuana. cavan in jacksonville, florida. you decided to support president obama, why is that? caller: it was after the last debate. watching governor romney's response to the national security, dealing with navy ships or air force aircraft, or army troops. i do not think he understands. being a military member, i worked and national

third party can it also debate include libertarian carey johnson, terrell stoglin, -- joe stein and others. there's a knockoff eastern on c- span. with the election two weeks away, we will have another allied campaign rally with mitt romney and paul ryan. it is at morrison, colorado at 9:00 05 eastern on c-span two. there is a debate over who would best represent nevada in the house. topics include gay marriage in the new federal health care lost. courtesy of vegas cbs, this is 25 minutes. ♪ >> good evening. for the next 30 minutes, i will be moderating a debate between the democratic and republican candidates running in 4th congressional district. they will make opening and closing statements. they will respond to questions that i will ask of each candidate. now, i would like to introduce the candidates participating in the debate. they are democratic state senate majority peter steven horsford and republican danny tarkanian. let us begin. mr. tarkanian, a coin toss determined you're up first. >> thank you and thank you to pbs for hosting this debate and giving people an opportunity to he

caller: i am between gary johnson and joe stein. i like rocky's point. i never understood him before this debate, but i feel like gary johnson -- totally. i like gary johnson more than in the of the other candidates, but i will probably be voting gary johnson. host: you have virgil, gary, and jill stein on the ballot there. caller: we do. the one thing in this debate that got ahold of me is the whole national defense authorization act. i think that is one of the biggest, most important things that we, as human beings it really need to focus on. yes, we need jobs. yes, we need to bring down our debt. ultimately, as human beings -- what host: concerned about that act? i saw a sweet about it earlier but someone had mentioned it. what are you concerned about? caller: the fact that americans can be detained indefinitely without due process, without the fact that they will not have access to legal representation is absolutely scary and people are just caught up in the things that do matter, but i, personally, do not think it matters more than the national defe

stein? first, joe biden soothes a crying baby, president obama responds to a crying baby named trump and bill o'reilly provides a timetable for mitt romney turning this economy arounund all by himself. when it doesn't fit anywhere else, the spitzer crew puts it in the viewfinder. >> i guess donald trump made his bombshell announcement. remember he's been saying -- this is going to change the whole course of everything. >> everyone was tuned in wanting to hear what donald trump had to say. turned out to be nothing but a silly little publicity stunt and i said to myself, hey that's not the donald trump i know. >> i believe we have the footage of the announcement of making it -- yeah, wait a second. you know what? i'm sorry. i'm sorry. [ laughter ] that wasn't donald trump essentially trying to publicly extort the president of the united states. that was a gorilla eating its own [ bleep ] >> what's this thing with trump and you? it is like me and letterman. what does he have against you? >> president obama is the least transparent president in the history of this country. >> obama: this dates ba

stein, condescending, they had him in there since 1933. >> i kept my mouth shut. >> you did, joe. you were polite, as always. >> as a red sox fan, it's a damn good thing i did. sam stein -- >> yes. >> -- an ugly year. an ugly year for the red sox. >> yeah, it wasn't our best year. >> mike barnicle, ugly, baby. >> they can't even beat the yankees. >> we're glad the season is over. you put up your shutters in mid-june. >> june 15th, i put the storm windows on, winter arrived. but joe, today, we can all hold out hope, daisuke is on the mound against the yankees. if he can beat the yankees, the yankees would be forced into a playoff with the orioles tomorrow. daisuke! >> yeah. don't hold your breath. all right. we've got a lot to talk about. of course, the first presidential debates now just a matter of hours away. i think it's going to be a great one. we also have new battleground polls released. just minutes ago that show where the races are standing in the key states. ohio, virginia and florida. let's go to the nbc/"wall street journal" poll and the marist poll. in ohio, let's look

table i'm joined now by green party presidential nominee herself jill stein thank you so much for coming on and taking the time joe it's a great honor it's great to be with you so joe tell me about the green new deal and why this vision is so important for the country. well you know as you alluded to earlier the real issues and the real solutions are not being discussed in this debate or in this election in fact ninety million voters that's one out of every two voters is voting with their feet by not going to vote because they know that the policies of barack obama and of mitt romney do not represent them and do not serve them so a key missing solution is actually creating jobs both romney and obama are basically saying more of the same you know just wait for a trickle down economics to hit you when in fact gushing up it's not trickling down and we've seen this over several decades it's only getting worse we're calling for a green new deal like the solution that actually got us out of the great depression in the one nine hundred thirty it's not rocket science we know how to directly create jobs for about the cost

i want to play what sam stein said on "morning joe" regarding the issue of politicians moving to the cent or in the case of mitt romney moderate or massachusetts mitt. sam stein i think takes it to the next logical line of questioning. let me play what sam said. >> i don't get what we're supposed to choose. yes. strategic possibly but also deceiving. >> ann romney in the interview basically said people accusing her husband of lying, playing bad sportsmanship. when does it become deceiving as opposed to being politically smart move? >> well, let's look at the data we know about this. cnn and orc released a poll this morning saying it's a four-point race in ohio but among women a 22-point gap that president obama's lead over governor romney is 22 points among females. he's got issues. i think this is the response and, tamron, it ties in to something you discussed yesterday which was that politico piece which said that post-conventions, there's a revolt within the romney campaign led by ann romney and eldest son tag and said you have to be more moderate and let the public evaluate you in

joe." donny deutsch and sam stein are still with us.ley. he interviewed president obama for the latest issue of "rolling stone" magazine. very good to have you with us on set. >> thanks for having me. >> let's go back to that shot. t.j., is that a time-lapse shot? is it still dark in washington, d.c.? so when's daylight saving's time end? it better be soon. the kids at the bus stop. is it this weekend? >> i lived there and i didn't realize it. >> it's 7:00 a.m. on the east coast. >> yeah. >> that's armageddon. >> wake up, everybody. >> that's unbelievable. >> dark days. >> i guess we have two weeks until day light saving's time end. you know what? you'd better put miner's hats on your kids when they go to the bus stop. it's dangerous. >> we have 11 days until election day. two swing states the president won in 2008 and is fighting to hang on to. according to the nbc/"wall street journal"/marist poll, in colorado the race is dead even, 48%-48% among likely voters. the president's five-point lead from a month ago is gone. and in nevada, t

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joe" with mika. a trap. all right. very good. thank you guys so much for being with us. sam stein, if it's way too early -- go ahead. if it's way too early, what time is it? >> "morning joe" and i think right now it's time for chuck todd. did i guess? >>> front and center. mitt romney marches into battleground virginia to outline his foreign policy vision. if he gets into the white house, we know he'll offer a rhetorical contrast to president obama, but how much space is there on policy? and is this an official break from the bush doctrine? also, the biden ryan debate in kentucky. will the vice president avoid any quote bumps in the road as the president described his own performance over the weekend and how will paul ryan perform on the biggest stage of his career. plus, you say tomato. i say electoral. find out how some trade decisions could affect the election in some key states. good morning, it's monday, october 8th, 2012. i'm chuck todd. i know some of you are celebrating as if this is some federal holiday. there is no day off when it's 29 days until the november election. if mitt romney is going to be presiden

america's standing across the world for enacting policies that barack obama sxwroe bidand joe kept in place. >> sam stein>> i would make the point that the complexity of the foreign policy can challenges we face doesn't lend ifrts to a campaign speech. look at the air rack spring alone. the revolutions in separate countries present different challenges. what works in egypt might not work in libya and certainly doesn't work in syria. you can't distill it to something to show more strength and resolve. on the same token, obama has a lot of trouble figuring out what america's imprint should be in any of those countries. it's almost impossible to make it into a political issue because you have to do it in such a vague marns that, you know, you end up with columns like thomas friedman's. >> it would be the final debate and a challenge, because i think most americans understand it's a lot easier to complain from the cheap seats whether you're barack obama in 2008 or mitt romney in 2012 then being the guy sitting at the desk having to make the decision day in and day out. how do i protect americans at home? how

sidelined green party presidential nominee joe di and her running mate arrested this week after trying to make their way to the venue for last tuesday's debate stein blames the system for locking up nearly a third of the country's population at the upcoming election green party campaign manager ben manx he believes the two party system is outdated laws any corporate influence. the reality is that there's nothing in our constitution which prevents a multi-party system from emerging here in the us but we do have laws on the books all across the country and we also have the actions of private corporations that have grown up over the last sixty years to prevent independent parties from challenging the two establishment parties here in the united states the laws that we have in the books prevent or make it very difficult for independent parties to get on the ballot to kill voters that choice those laws date from the cold war they date from the mccarthy era and which there was a fear of communism and socialism and they tried to make it very difficult for progressive party some particular to emerge here at the green party we have overcome many of those c

joe klein. and jon meachum and sam stein also back on set. york times" breaking news, vick cram pandit steps down as chief executive of citigroup. michael door bet to take over. we will be talking about that in business before the bell in about 15 minutes. that is a fascinating shakeup. i didn't hear that was coming. >> your reading that is the firps i heard of t get brian sullivan on in a few minutes, have him give us the how and why on that. >> dig into t hey, joe klein, important question, are you going to see crosby, sometimes & nash when they play at the beacon? >> i like to listen to their album, came out in 1969, spotty, great. i bought that the same time i bought santana's first album. >> they are great. fantastic. >> harmonies hard to replicate on a live stage, i'm just warning you about that. >> okay. i have seen them. they are great. we need too get them on to talk about your political writing. hard to replicate on tv. >> it is on the morning of the debate, joe. >> we are showing a a lot of polls out, there is an avalanche of polls

joe." a live look at the white house as the sun comes up over washington. sam stein and harold ford jr. joining us now, adviser to the romney campaign, dan senor. >> good to be with you. >> dan, mika's in a bad mood. >> why are you in a bad mood? >> it's been a rough week. >> oh, come on. >> her candidate fell asleep in the campaign. he needs to get him some no-doze. >> her candidate didn't have a very good story to tell when he got up there. >> thank god your candidate's going to do a foreign policy speech. >> i mean, you know -- >> that's cold. your brother works for him. >> tough. >> one of mitt romney's advisers said it's not that president obama had a particularly bad night, he's had a bad four years. so it's not surprising when he's up there on the stage for an hour and a half with no spinmayspi spinmeisters, with no one to intercede on his behalf. >> i know you think the last four years have been all sunshine. let me ask you, first of all, dan, and i'm dead serious here. i'd love to go behind the scenes and take our viewers behind the scenes. what were you guys thinking? you guys

mathematically possible for dr jill stein and i to win the presidency so we should be allowed to be a part of the debate now let's get to to some of the things you and joe were speaking about before you were arrested about the system in general why is it that you think third party candidates are still kept out of these debates. well first of all the the c.p.b. is sponsored by ten different corporations we were happy because we saw that three sponsors had pulled out they were expecting a fourth to pull out that didn't happen yet however and again both the democrats and republicans actually represents a one percent in this country and they know that the issues that jill and i are speaking to do represent the majority of the american people so they didn't want to sit on the stage the debates here are actually like reality television so you're saying one of the problems is that they this commission on presidential debates is actually you know the debates themselves are sponsored by major corporations and that in itself is an issue perhaps that speaks to a larger problem i think i heard your question we're having some problems with the sound here as well but

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