neil: i asked joe theismann that. he said immediately i wish i were. >> i'm kind of glad. position has changed so much, the guys are so much bigger. i was -- i came in about 270 pounds and probably got up to 285, 290, you know. that's the size of tight ends now. neil: you're right about that. >> so i'm kind of glad i got in when i did and very happy. neil: for a lot of folks looking at this, it's obviously there's a lot of money, a lot of interest, but i always ask guys like you have been there, done that, what kind of game it will be, high-scoring game, do you think, sometimes we're surprised, last year was kind of not exactly a dramatic game, so what do you look for here? >> you know what they say, when you ask a former player his opinion and his analysis, typically if you want to win money and you're betting, you go against that. neil: i don't think so. >> that usually works. to me, i thought that looking at the kansas city chiefs last week, their offensive line just played superbly, protected mahomes and then you've got the 49ers, on the other hand, that have a defense