i remember when joe wilson -- i remember when joe wilson called president obama a liar. and i condemned him for it. and i think that you have to be very careful in calling paul ryan who said the truth, his speech is accurate all the way down the line. he said the truth. calling him a liar really degrades the political debate. >> i think it is going to get there because of the fact that there's an enumeration of these. i'm not going to be the one to call him it. the question i have for him is why would a guy with a clean record introducing himself with hard-to-argue statements like this one, talk about deceptive language. he said the gm plant in his district closed on obama's watch. that was the clear implication that charge he made at the convention. and now it turns out that it closed on george w. bush's watch. now, i don't know how you can say well that's just how he sees it. >> by the way, not only did it close on george bush's watch, paul ryan knew that. in fact, it was on a list to be closed in june 2008 before president obama ever even visited there and then it clo

i was in the room for that as i was in the chamber when joe wilson shouted you lie. it was a ricochet in the room at that time. with senator mccain so striking, you could feel the entire room take a deep breath. he had a decision to make in that moment. am i working with this crowd of supporters or am i going to say the thing that has to be said. to pull the microphone back from one of your supporters is a tough thing for politicians to do. i think that's one of the more defining moments about him in the campaign, but one of the most difficult moments. chris: a great john mccain at that moment. >> he had been flirting a little bit with the dark side. things were getting desperate in the campaign. he saw this kind of irrational anger that was coming out of republican audiences. he just couldn't go there. it was a moment of real honor. >> during the course of that election just after john mccain lost and he gave that extraordinary speech, do you remember in phoenix, a very gracious speech, the concession speech. i remember republicans saying that should have been the j

he is dealing with the joe wilson school of debate, something 've seen from romney before.s to newt traizeis weaknesses by turning them against president obama. how much time it gives the obama campaign to prepare and to ji jut sue it. now obama can go into that debateeady to talk about the s apeof romney campaign, whether that be the mischaracterization of obama'sedication plan or obama who killed simpson/bowles. i think obama is goi to be able to say, you know what, s not istt let's not point fingers at one another. let's rise above it and each tell the american people what we are capable of. >> let me ask yothis, alicia, because we just had nbc wall street joual marist pl re ngu president is up seven points in new hampshire, up by two points in nevada and north calina. and in a poll released yesterday, up ten points in ohio, nine points in florida. thy we are seeing these desperate measures now? clean across the board, every poller is saying he's up, up, up. >> he's up and it's because of the various strategies because of theomney campaign have failed to work. initiay th

. >> we talk all the time from joe wilson screaming "you lie," and things that people do in this presidentey wouldn't do to any other president. it was fun to watch but someone actually lifted the president up. >> cenk: that's what i'm saying, i think the president's team loved it. >> i think they loved it, otherwise they wouldn't have stood by. after that point and once it's over i don't know what they would have done. >> cenk: but biden is with a bunch of bikers, and he tells a female bike for come in and politco-has this. apparently she's not sitting in his lap, although it looks like it. >> she's sitting in a chair in front of him. >> cenk: how great is that picture. >> joe biden when he first went to the senate took a 15-hour ride with a truck for see what a trucker's life is like from delaware to ohio, stopped at five different fuel stations, was greeted by different truckers there. the reason why he did it there was legislation about fuel and how it would effect truckers, he wanted to see what life was like for a trucker. the vice president had been a senator for 30 years there is s

he was heckled during a speech by joe wilson saying you lie. this is their wishful thinking and absolute -- >> effectively mocked, though. "saturday night live" only found somebody to play him. >> and i got to think -- did they read the "vanity fair" article. this is a guy dying to be in the -- this is a president who gets the most competitive folks to challenge him over and over again and unless you actually break his nose with your elbow he's going to bring you back again. he doesn't want deference. i suspect if romney tries to go large and go strong with this president, it might be an interesting set of debates. >> a great line in the michael lewis piece where they said what happens to the people who got soft on the president in these games and they said they don't get invited back. >> the point it it's true that obama hasn't held a whole lot of press conferences this year, hasn't had debates in a long time, something that campaign has made a pretty big deal about in terms of trying to lower expectations. >> trying to manage expectations. >>

i remember working on the breakfast program with eddie jones and i remember joe wilson and the friendships that you develop and how it impacted later on. i would like to also mention that what father brooks did was not just for the black students. i was from a low income family import and andy did the same for me and that changed my life. after holy cross i worked six years in africa. i would like to say that the culmination of those experiences gave me that direction. >> yeah and i think that came up as a theme. >> i have another comment or question. something that came up when we were like freshman which annoyed us and bothered us and i'm wondering if that came up too. it the "sports illustrated" article about -- >> about jack donahue? that is in the book because stan grayson is one of them men and obviously was deeply affected. this was a "sports illustrated" article were basically jack donahue who was the basketball coach at the time of holy cross, i've believe called -- >> he was recruited to holy cross -- >> yes, karim abdul-jabbar. and then you know he had made racist comments and s

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joe, we have been putting every week somebody's map up there to go against you a carl. this week it's zachary wilsonll us about this map? >> he has romney with 276 electoral votes. applausable win for him. but what is significant about it is that he is ohio, virginia, and florida to romney. it shows a 3-2-1 strategy we have been talking about for if republicans. any one of the three state slips. obama is the nominee. if ohio, as we talk about goes, ohio wins the presidency. so it's inept and -- the interesting thing he gives iowa that we have been just talking about to obama. so if you look at the states we talk about this evening they are critical in a very close rate. >> bret: thank you very much. do it home, too. joe and karl, we'll be back with another version of the electoral map. after the break, education and the election. welcome aboard! [ chuckles ] ♪ [ honk! ] ♪ [ honk! ] ♪ [ honk! ] ♪ [ male announcer ] now you'll know when to stop. [ hk! ] the all-new nissan altima with easy fill tire alert. [ honk! ] it's our most innovative altima ever. nissan. innovation that excites. ♪ it's eb. want

joe" starts right now. . >>> the packers playing at the goal line at wilson scrambles to keep i alive. the game's final play, to the te jennings simultaneous, b who do they give it to? touchdown! >> okay. good morning. it's tuesday, september 25th, lcome to "morning joe." with us onhae barnicle, and pulitzer prize winning historian jon meacham. say it with me now because we've said it a million times. >> have you seen how little it is? >> yeah. don'know if i were a man i would show that. >> well, he's the author of the forthcoming book "thomas jefferson" -- >> very little. >> we're going to cgi today to see -- >> whahappened to that football gam last night? >> eggiou >>hat ppen? >>s tehe breaking point on the replacement refs. last play of the game. there was a bad call before that. but the last play of the game, a heave into the end zone, looks like the pacrs defender inrcepts it. e ofcial stoow seahawks, and the one on the left gives the time-out signal, so they split it. so they review this play for ten minutes as a monday night football audience waits to see the result of the game.

wilson. here is -- nfl touchdown pass number one. ryan -- 14 yards on the score. the first touchdown pass. the first win for new miami coach joe philbun. a lot to think about for the raiders. troy, out of the line up as the steelers hosted the jets in search of their first win. ben bringing down rain with this throw. his receiver mike wallace able to bring it in and get two feet down in to the end zone. those two teams one and one after pittsburgh 27-10 win. >>> all eyes at the moment at -- the 49ers and lions in this sunday night game. the 49ers to a 7-0 lead. besides the two teams, what harbaugh and the officials may do. make a dramatic under statement. the league has sent a memo to the coaches telling them in the to bull bully the replacement refes. >>> luck only had to wait until his second week in the nfl to win for the first time. he connects with wayne on a nice looking 30-yard touchdown. the last second heroics were needed to put this one away. adam lines up for a 52-yard field goal for the win. he nails it, the colts get a win in week two. last year they didn't win until week 15. the texans got off to a 2-0 start at t

wilson. mark halperin, what did you learn on this action packed friday edition of "morning joe." >> i learnedo is the best like barack obama at picking her opponents. >> if you want a cheeseburger and peas a you don't have to have two meals. >> i don't have to choose. >> i can get them in one. >> i love that. also a friend of yours, incredible story. >> on the "today" show, adam greenberg, childhood friend, got hit in the back of the head seven years ago, never got a chance, thank god, florida marlins giving him a one day contract, gets another at bat. my heart goes out to him. so happy for him. >> what did you learn? >> i would comment on todd akin, but it wouldn't be ladylike, i will refrain. >> very good. mark halperin, if it is way too early, what time is it? >> if it is way too early, it is "morning joe." now time for the daily diary of the american dream, "the daily rundown" with chuck todd starting now. >>> 9-9-9, no, not the return of herman cain. nine states, nine polls, nine leads for president obama ahead of the first debate next week. we breakdown the newest numbers facing the rom