amy: joel clement, you left the interior department under zinke. can you explain why? if you can comment on is corporatete latest venture he wants to engage in, this brewery on public land? >> amy, i left the agency last summer dozenslast of senior executives were reassigned suddenly in a late-night you mail. i blew the whistle on that because it was, in my view, retaliation for my work on climate change issues. i resigned a few months later. i have to say i kind of pine for those days when we were just worried about discrimination and retaliation last summer because now it is rather -- we're getting into some unethical and potentially unlawful behavior. things have changed quite a lot. amy: in your area of expertise, in this last minute we have come on this issue of climate change, if you can comment on what the secretary is saying and if it surprises you? >> it does not surprise me. that is where they're coming from. they're clearly not going to acknowledge climate change. the right answer to americans right now who are worried about safety in the face a wildfire or