. >> you bring up joel klein quite a lot and quite often. you seem to admire him. what do you think of joe klein's successor? [laughter] >> i think his it is too early to tell. at think that her commitment -- i mean, i think she is clearly very committed for all the right reasons. you know, i guess we will see what happens. after 7i think we should reach a point where we are trying to figure out who should be the superintendent of our nation's largest school system or newark, new jersey for that matter which is in the midst of a superintendent search or atlanta or may be sent to the chicago where some of the best jobs on the planet should be. we should be considering slates of people who have all the foundational experience necessary to do that job. they should be people who taught in transformational ways, ran transformational schools, supported lots of other transformational schools. can you imagine gec a selection just stepping back and deciding that someone who had not even worked in corporate america should be the ceo? we would never do it. again, this is why

good thing but very rigorous standards and they shut down and they don't work and even more so joel kleinde an extraordinary effort to recruit people in from charters, maybe they did a lot to recruit good folks in. >> host: is it possible those things are a good experience for charters and that high standard is at a function of the existence of the charter cap? a restriction to use it more wisely? >> guest: you could argue that. >> host: would you argue that? >> guest: no. it is a fact that it is hard to find and develop the leadership necessary, a high performance will of any sort including a charter school but we could find a lot more. >> host: what is the cap? >> guest: who knows? they raised the cap last year. >> host: you don't have -- kind of an optimal figure. >> guest: i would bring the principle of charters into the system. i would do that and i would do something else. and joel kline has worked to do exactly this and this is what they have done in new orleans. the bottom line is whenever you see one of these transformational school, always they are run by someone who feels deep

joel rifkin, an out of work landscaper who admitted murdering 17 women in 1993. >> you think you do have a serial killer on your hands? >> reporter: fred klein, who prosecuted rifkin, says new york is not unique. >> the fbi will tell you at any given period in time there are several serial killers active in metropolitan areas who are completely undetected. >> reporter: eventually, he says, most killers make mistakes. >> rifkin was caught only because he was driving around with a dead body in a pickup truck that had no license plate on it. >> reporter: meanwhile, the search for clues and perhaps more bodies stretches over many miles. a baffling and brutal crime spree. apparently the work of one prolific killer. ron allen, nbc news, new york. >>> when we come back, you might be surprised to see where bob dylan is performing these days. >>> in case you haven't noticed, gasoline prices continue to go up. the average price of a gallon of regular jumped 19% over the last three weeks, according to the lundberg survey. that puts the price at $3.76 a gallon. tucson, arizona, had the lowest average price at $3.41. san francisco had the highest at $4.1

. >> fred klein helped prosecute another long island serial killer in the early '90s named joel riff could there be as many as ten? >> once we got past the initial four and now you have another cluster of four? nothing is going to shock me. >> reporter: klein is surprised by how close together the bodies are found, within just a few miles of each other. >> which is somewhat unique for a serial killer. >> reporter: unique, why? >> most of them want to spread the bodies apart so if one is found there's no connection to the others. >> reporter: the search intensified yesterday with around 125 people combing the beach dunes, uncovering two settles of remains, including a skull. it's not yet clear if the bones are from two separate victims. >> i know he's a very sick individual and he needs to be caught as soon as possible. >> reporter: for lynn bathlemy, this search is personal. her daughter was one of the four victims discovered last september. after she disappeared, the family's horror story continued with her younger sister receiving taunting phone calls from the man who may have been