. >> congressman joel klein, the republican chairman at the education and workforce committee, said that he's concerned because during the president's state of the talk uniaddress heed talked about streamlining bureaucracy and kline says the president is now appearing to retreat from the th proposal he announced less than a month ago. what does senator kline prefer and is there concern about this double layer of the department of labor and education, double layer of them being involved in this new program? >> right now you know we have our workforce training program spread across a number of agenc agencies. there republicans have been calling for consolidation and st streamlining. in his state of the union address, president obama mentioned one training program. he didn't flesh it out, provide a lot of details, but the republicans had written to him asking him if he would support their proposal. out a couple of hink t billshe in the education that w committee. so there's shared agreement that we need to somehow consolidate some of these programs but i don't think the parties are on s it

proposition 8 and he was praised by joel klein a chancellor of schools, in time magazine as being one of the most influential men and he worked with david biz. they exercise free speech the they create 50,000 jobs. they give millions of dollars in charity. what's the -- i'm trying to figure out what the crime here is. >> it's funny, the koch brothers are on o's enemy list. but in college, obama really liked coke. the soda, the soft drink. there is a quote in the article where they say, americans should respond with outrage to what the president and his allies are doing to demonize david and charles koch. i hate to tell you, maybe 100,000 people know who the koch brothers is. it's going to be very hard to generate or manufacture outrage. >> somebody tell me what's wrong with demonizing them. you're political enemies. >> it goes back to the point, it's the same thing with soros, when you bring him up -- >> you bring him up all the time. >> that's what i'm saying. it's relative. >> there is a point because there is goodrich people, according to this administration, like soros and solyndr

howard fineman is editorial director for the huffington post and joel klein is a columnist for "time"agazine. two heavyweights here. let me take advantage of your brains. let's go to a poll. the latest poll in michigan from the detroit news and wdiv. santorum now beats romney. and this is a very respected poll. four points among likely primary voters. first to you, howard. this is something i didn't expect but it's a god send to reporters and anybody who loves this political battle. romney for a long time looked like the front runner. looked like every time you get around the table with smart people they say eventually romney is going to win this thing. you ask who is going to be the republican nominee. no matter who you ask who watches politics. the junkies all say, after all the excitement and the cur fufle and everything else goes wrong, it's going to be romney. is that still true? is it still the thoughtful position? >> that conventional wisdom is teetering on the edge of extinktsion at this point and will go away if he loses michigan. it will no longer be the default asuchtion. >