. >> you bring up joel kline quite a lot and you seem to admire him. what do you think of joel kline's successor? >> it is too early to tell. but i think that her commitment -- she is clearly very committed for all the right reasons. we will see what happens. [laughter] i think we should reach the point that when we are trying to figure out who should be the superintendent of the largest schools in newark or new jersey which is in the midst of superintendent surge or atlanta or chicago, some of the best jobs on the planet, they should be. we should be considering slates of people who have all the foundational experience necessary to do that job. people who talk in transformational ways or run transformational schools or support transformational schools. can you imagine the much talked about for its ceo's election just stepping back and deciding someone who hasn't worked in corporate america shouldn't be the ceo? we would never do it. this is why i say sometimes i wonder if we think this is a true crisis. but we can't blame the mayor fully because the f