joining me now in highland park is joel krauss, he was at the parade. joel, thank you for being with us. this is a hard day for everybody else things are settling down. for you you're still processing this. you were here with your family, with your two little daughters. >> that's correct, yeah. >> you were down the road on the right side over there? >> on the left side here. just down about a block or so. >> what happened? >> we were enjoying the parade and met some of our neighbors and there with two children, four young children there all together with us. we were unfortunately right in front of a person who lost their life nicholas toledo, who was the first person that we sort of noticed had been shot. so we heard the shots. we thought it was someone using fire crackers, something like that, being pretty insensitive and turned around and saw that he had actually received some graphic -- i'm trying not to be too graphic -- >> 78 years old. >> yeah. >> he was standing -- >> right behind us. >> unfortunately their family probably took a lot of the damage