we explore this with joel naroff, the president of naroff economic advisers.joins us from philadelphia. and catherine mann, a professor of economics and finance at brandeis international business school. she's in boston. professor, when you look at the numbers overall, what are they telling you for this month? >> well, i think what we're seeing is a virtuous cycle developing in the services sector. now of course that's the most important part of the economy. it's the part of the job creation engine that really has been lagging for quite a few months now. manufacturing has been solid and that's excellent and good. but until we get a virtuous cycle developinging in services, particularly the upper income services like business professional and technical,we're not going to have a self-sustaining recovery. and we are seeing job growth there. i think as companies start getting contracts, they start hiring workers to fulfill those contracts, i think we're starting to see that virtuous cycle develop. >> suarez: joel naroff we're often told when we do this segment onc