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joining us for the conversation, joel sawyer.. welcome to the conversation. why did you resign? >> i'm sorry? >> why did you resign? >> because somebody approached me with another opportunity to go out on my own and begin my own business and thought i'd take advantage of it. let's be clear. 16 in an administration you see people to trickle out the door. in this case, it happened a little bit sooner rather than later for me because of an opportunity that came my way. >> a common conversation as you know around water coolers is giving a politician and pretending he was an employee of the people of america. i say pretending because it doesn't always seem to be the case but they do get their money from american taxpayers. if an employee were to exhibit anything remotely like the lack of attention to the business of the state or whatever it is that they are hired to do, at what point -- how many weeks and months can they go on before you fire them or they have to resign? >> first of all, i'm not on the clock anymore but this is going