joining us live now to talk about it is joel umanzor, a reporter for the standard. joel, thanks for coming on the show. >> thanks for having me again. >> you're part of a team of reporters that went out and talked to macy's employees after the news broke on tuesday. what did they tell you? >> so i and two other reporters were able to talk to various employees over five about the reasons why uh- macy's at union square is teaming, shutting down. it's due to because of a, you know, rampant retail theft as well as a lack of sales, but primarily because of the retail theft that comes in droves, which is very different from what mayor london breed said this week. >> let's listen. >> we've had even this past holiday season between november 20th and the end of the year. we've seen a significant decline in crime. and so we know this has nothing to do with that decision. it's really a larger business decision that macy's has made. >> so what she's saying is not the crime, not the city, but of course, you know, there's so many different sides. and these employees, what did they