t me introduce the rest of our panel tonight joey jackson in new york and defense attorney and long time friend wendy murphy good to see you former prosecutor. long time no see. gentlemen first in this regard, joey does he buttress does he beef up does he support grapd paw enough for the savaging that is about to come? >> any closing argument is about wrapping up the evidence and putting out the theory. it was done in a masterful way. not only does he explain the lies in and of themselves he goes further to explain it has everything to do with this. in addition to talking with her as a liar somebody in a premedicated way would do this. she can't keep up with motherho motherhood. now we turn to the defense and try to discuss how they live in a fantasy world. the defense would have you believe in order for you to suggest in any way, shape or form that george would be involved in this it would be preposterous. he is a doting grandparent by all means. he puts a suicide note and in a a suicide note he says you read this jurors you take it back there with you and in any suicide note that would

joey jackson former prosecutor. dr. ludwig, how do you explain a mother's absence to three 5-year-olds? what to do you say to them? >> i think what you say is first, you want to underscore they are safe. and be honest without giving too much detail. you want to say something like we're looking for your mommy now. we have really good people trying to find her. you are safe. we are here for you. we'll let you know something as soon as . certainly not go into gory details before you have any information. you don't want to scare the kids. >> judge jeanine: let as talk about the fact the police are saying the husband cooperating. it is not like he's trying to make it look like he's helping. what does that tell you about him? >> he's disturbed the fact that he isn't covering up. if he were not involved, wouldn't he be happy police are looking for his wife? wouldn't he be happy there's television attention? not every case gets that kind of attention. clearly, he's adversarial. he's angry. he's annoyed and irritable. and he can

gregg: joey jackson, your take on this? >> they are really in trouble, they, being the defense here. i think, linda drane burdick is laying that out, attempting to establish, there is no possible way it can be anything but somebody's premeditated act to kill their daughter and it doesn't makes sense in terms of the defense points being made about, you know, george's involvement or anybody else, and, trying to deflect anything, and i think she's being really effective at this, gregg and it does not bode well at all for the defense at this point. >> a marie, it also goes to, as patti ann talked to me off camera, it goes to the motive in this case as it was laid out yesterday, by her co-prosecutor, when he said, look, her daughter became inconvenient and wanted to live this fun lifestyle, and, so, according to the prosecution, she got rid of her daughter. patti ann: and they did a fabulous job, lake out, there was a reason for the lie and it's not about a woman who lies but used them to divert attention from herself as a phone

translate what happened here. >> i agree with joey jackson. if the judge is angry enough if it happens again, i would go to contempt route than eliminating defense lawyer because he is ready to go for closing arguments. there would be less of a chance for reversal of appellate issues but i'm glad the judge didn't do that. that is monumental action to hold against a lawyer. i would have gone the route of ripping them and not holding them in contempt. i think that is the route he is going. >> judge ax, thank you so much. jose baez is about to resume. let's listen. >> only points to one person. there is some doubt here. there is in issues here. there are some things that just do not add up. there is also something that you learn toward the end of the defense case and that is, the way in which the anthony family had buried their pets. it's odd, it's different. there is a pattern there that each member of the family testified to except george again had a little amnesia. george is the person who actually does the burying, who does all the work seems

heather: let's bring in criminal defense attorney joey jackson who's been standing by for us covering this at length. joey, what's your reaction as to what just happened there in the sentence dag? >> you know, ultimately, heather, there are really no victories here because you have little girl that's dead. but you know, it was a very anticlimatic day, i would also say, because generally at sentencing she could have faced so much more than this and the fact is she knew going in that even if the judge gave her the worst case scenario which he did and i think we all expected, which was the consecutive time, and that is to stack one on top of the other and the other, there are four separate counts, the judge did what conventional wisdom would suggest he would do, which is to find that each lie was a separate occurrence. the defense rightfully made the argument as they had to and which was a very good argument that listen, this was the same course of conduct, it emanated from the same intention, and as a result of that, you cannot look at it independently, you have to evaluate it as a whol

former prosecutors and turned defense attorney joey jackson and david schwartz.does the family have a legitimate complaint? they argue that, wait a minute. a law was passed in 2008 that requires the governor to first contact victims' families, and he didn't do it, if he is going commute a sentence. >> it is very clear he did not follow the process. the santos family deserved justice. they got justice during this trial. they lost their son. it was a horrible tragedy, and this does not pass the smell test. it doesn't pass the smell test to give the assembly speaker's son this advantage that most people that the majority -- the far majority of people do not have. >> i wonder if the killer's dad was not speaker of the house and friend of arnold schwarzenegger, and we have seen a bunch of pictures of the two paling around -- do we have that picture? put it up on the screen. here they are paling around. they are buddies. i wonder if they are not buddies and it was just an -- and if he was an average joe if the sentence was commuted. >> let's talk politics. one was arno

former prosecutor as well as fox news legal analyst and joey jackson again former prosecutor as well as defense attorney. all right everybody. there's a confusing message here. on the one hand you have baes saying she is safe and we need you as decoys and saying i am going to call you and let you know when you guys can reconnect. this is an area wi where we hav lawyer controlling his comp cli keeping her family out or do you think casey a sending a message to her family i want no part of you? >> i think that casey probably doesn't want to have anything to do with her family right now for two reasons number one they testified against her and it's awaited trace to where she is. you get to jose biaz who is her protector regardless of whether or not he wants a big payday. he's the only person he's got to be between the hoards of people who would like to hurt her or kill her as well as the hoards of media that would like to interview her. >> what do you think? >> you have to chalk another victory to jose bias. every network wants to know where she is. nobody knows where she is and they di

let's talk about it with joey jackson, a criminal defense attorney.ce is a former federal prosecutor. i don't want to get into the guessing game, we don't know what this jury's going to do, but are there rules of thumb when it comes to length of deliberations and which side it favors? fred, let's start with you. >> will well, jon, i think the general rule, i think everybody would agree, is that a quick verdict generally favors the prosecution. but there are exceptions to every case, and i think -- jon: o.j. simpson being one of them. >> yeah, go figure. well, forget that. that's nothing about justice, right? but i think in this case given that there were 110 witnesses, a lot of expert testimony, 400 pieces of evidence, i think it's unrealistic to think that you're going to get a verdict certainly yesterday, i'd be with surprised if you got one today, but i'd like to meet the lawyer who can really tell you when the jury's coming back. jon: yeah. joey, would you agree with 110 witnesses having been heard over these last seven weeks that they're going to

joey jackson, suzanne constantine, dr. michael baden, thank you all. >> thank you. patti ann: right now the fight for fundraising dollars among gop presidential candidates is glowing global. mitt romney is out looking for campaign cash in london. his team announcing they already have around $18 million in the bag. some say it's a bit early for fundraising but if romney's event today sells out he stands to raise almost a million more. amy kellogg is live in london with the latest for us. hi, amy. >> reporter: hi, patti ann, his people point out that this is just primary money, this isn't even general campaign money. well the former governor is wheels down here in london and his event starts very soon. he landed about an hour ago. i don't even think he's going to have time for a spot of tea or to scoff a scone or two before he glows glad handing. it is a bit early as you pointed out but in the past candidates have come over here in the year before an election year. that trend was started by rudolph guiliani who came over to london in 2007. fundraising is involved but

is let's bring in our legal panel, joey jackson and kimberly guilfoyle, former prosecutor and host ofk you both for being here. >> pleasure. patti ann: we're going to ask you what a standard of proof is and does this case meet it. explain the standard. >> basically, i think she has a strong case. it's not going to be that difficult for her to show that this has violated her publicity rights. she sued in los angeles in federal court, and there's precedent here that's going to be on her side. would a jury think, in fact, they're trying to get her on the cheap? they want kim kardashian, they can't afford her. she's suing for $20 billion because her commercial value is that high at this point in time. when yo look at -- you look at the two girls side by side, there is a strong resemblance, although she appears to be able to dance a little better than kim. [laughter] patti ann: joey, you say it comes down to the word parody. >> it does. will the real kim kardashian please stand up? kim kardashian never looked that good. here's the point, what the court will do is they're going to assess is

joining us for a debate is criminal defense attorney david schwartz and former prosecutor joey jackson thanks so much for being here. >> good morning. >> so these two 14-year-old boys held down their 12-year-old schoolmate and they put their bare bottoms on these kids' heads. obviously, this goes beyond harmless horseplay. but does it rise to the level of where they should be punished. >> for kids, kids that aren't fully developed yet, absolutely should be given a second chance. there should be counseling here but to label a child a sex offender for life is a ridiculous precedent. >> ridiculous, joey, what do i think? >> i don't think so. first of all, let's talk about a couple of things. number one, let's not so dismisssive of the conduct. horseplay, if you want to talk about that, we can talk about melting crayons on the radiator and talk about people chasing each other and throwing spitballs. sitting on the face of a 13-year-old is inappropriate. the legislature determines what's appropriate for registration, the legislature does not. they indicated that if you're 14 years old, 15,