joining muse is defense attorney and law professor joey jackson. joey, we begin with you.ome people think the longer the trial, the fairer the trial. the more evidence that's presented, the more arguments that's in front of the jurors. can it have the opposite effect, can it just get under their skin? >> you know, it certainly could. i once had a judge tell me, ashleigh, i want to be entertained. make this my broadway. it's a matter of having jurors that are perceptive and insig insightful. one of the things about this jury, they're allowed to ask questions and that's important because it keeps them focused. and that's important because it becomes a point of when is enough enough. you have a prosecutor who is very good at cross-examination, if you are sleeping at examination, when he gets up, certainly you get up. it prevents them from focusing as they should. >> and you would hope the judge's gavel would also wake up anybody in court who needs to be listening. sunny hostin, joey just mentioned the jury questions which is again so unique and fascinating in the case. this j

joining me now, former juvenile court judge glenda hatchett and criminal defense attorney joey jacksoney, let he will start with you. numbers are a tricky thing. there's fuzzy math. there's math that makes sense. there's math you can fudge. in this respect does math play into this case in front of the court today? >> you know, i really think it does. just to be clear, i know police have a very difficult job. we depend on them in large measure to keep us safe. they do a wonderful job. the question us wanting them to deter crime and stopping people inappropriately. when you look at the statistics, they are telling in a city of 8.2 million people the disproportionate number of people of color that are being stopped. if you stop people because there's a basis and legal justification, that's one thing. if you're not, that's quite another. >> so judge hatchett, the person who sort of was at the genesis of this case was a young african-american doctor. he was just stopped one too many times for his liking and ultimately this snow balled into a class-action case. without question anybody would

joey jackson joining us now from new york. oey, the jurors questions, even underscore that they have some i guess reservations about how she remembers certain details, but then in other cases, she doesn't remember anything. >> you know what? it's really fascinating because think about what the role of a juror is and the collectively what the jury does. their function is to cipher out what actually happened and there's only one person on earth who knows. that's jodi arias. that's the person that they're posing these questions to and so therefore, they're trying to get at the truth. what actually happened. was there anybody else who knows about your memory? was there anyone else who witnessed his anger? what exactly occurred in the bathroom? in the shower? and so, they're trying to get at it to determine whether or not justification, that is legally speaking, self-defense was really proper here or did she just murder him. so i think they're really getting to the heart of it and i think this jury focused and looking to ensure just

joey jackson, weigh in on this. to know if we're going to have one of those moments where the media has to cough up your source in this criminal investigation or you, yourself, are going to go to jail. >> boy, it remains to be seen. two things i think about offhand. one, poor senator menendez. the impact this had on him, and is having on him, until now. and then the second thing is, politics is a nasty business, thank goodness i decided not to go into it. but ultimately, yes, i think there will be a full and fair investigation into the case. i think it could come to the point where we get into privileges and that is media protecting sources which rightfully, and historically they have done for the integrity of the process. stand by on this one because the investigation continues for sure. >> let me make sure that our viewers know. if you're googling away trying to find abc's story you're not going find it. this is dana bash's reporting and she's got lots of sources on capitol hill that let me tell you this, i think

cnn's legal analyst sunny hostin is covering the trial and also joey jackson is weighing in on this,, sunny. you're at the courthouse in new york city. i expected a lot longer defense than one day. if he's trying to prove that this was just silly talk and not actual planning. >> well, they certainly put a lot into that one day. i've got to tell you, it's a fascinating day in court today. it's closing argument day. you've got two lady lawyers battling against each other, female attorney for the prosecute, female attorney for the defense. and we heard two very different versionses of what really happened here. the prosecution says, hey, listen, as the government, we can stop something before it happens. the law does not require us to wait until he actually executes his plan. that's how the government started their closing argument. but in direct response, listen to this, this is what the defense attorney said. she said these are gal's words, i have a world in my mind and in that world i'm kidnapping women and selling them to people interested in buying them. i just have a world in my m

j joey jackson on the case with me today.y is in a place where i know a lot of people can't even afford to identify or claim bodies because, you know, cremation, burial is expensive. do you anticipate legal challenges here? >> i have to say this, brooke, i think certainly it is controversial and certainly unusual, but i don't believe it to be illegal. so therefore i think there is also a lot of support here. in cook county alone there is 32 bodies at the office of the county medical examiner and they haven't been identified. you have people out there who are very caring and concerned and wondering, oh, my goodness, where are my loved ones. remember also, brooke, there is a national database, it doesn't go as far as this does in regards of posting photos, it comes close, but i think this is a step in the right direction. will it be challenged? we live in a very litigious society and who knows what people will do. i think they're on sound legal footing to do it. i think it is overdue, quite frankly. >> i'm curious if it will be

joey jackson in new york in for richard herman this week. y from cleveland. good to e see you both again. avery, what does the jackson family have to establish to help prove that aeg was negligent in hiring dr. murray? >> they got to show that there was negligent hiring. what's astonishing in this case is that they came they are going to put the jackson children on as witnesses. what on earth would the children know about whether or not conrad murray was negligently hired? it's stunning. the jackson family is looking for $40 billion, that's billion dollars off of aeg live. they are claiming they have a smoking gun e-mail. i think all that means is aeg was going to underwrite it. it had nothing to do with the patient/physician relationship between michael jackson and conrad murray. >> won't aeg say michael jackson requested dr. murray. he wanted his own doctor. he said he wouldn't go on without him. >> they are going to say that. in addition to that, what's interesting is that what aeg is doing is they are going to use the molestation trial ag

sunny hostin and and law professor, joey jackson.e, contract law is boring to me, maybe to some other people too, why it doesn't make the news a whole lot. when you add martha to the mix, does something in the courtroom change? is there a dynamic that changed? she walks in and everything goes real quiet. >> these are three household names. contract law isn't boring if you're a contract law billing a big company for your contract law work, i'm sure. look, there was a ten ashs macy's attorney who tried to show this was a woman who went behind the back of her partner in macy's to deal with jc penny. she said, we thought business would be bigger at macy's but it kept us static. $300 million was enough to sustain a company of her size and went out and did another piece of business there. the macy's attorney going after her saying, do you really think you have -- you have an exclusivity agreement with macy's, do you think the same customer will buy one of your ee namal cast iron pieces of cookware and walk to the other end and buy another

. >> criminal defense attorney joey jackson joining us in new york. sounding like she's not going to go back to italy but she can still be tried. she done have to be there, right? >> no, that's right. according to the italian law, a defendant in cases, even murder cases, do not have to attend their own trial. neither does raffaele sollecito, italian citizen studying in italy, he doesn't have to attend the trial either. that's a point of law. the reason that they were in attendance at the original trial in the appeal, though, is because she was vieds a flight risk. she's not here now. she's not going to have to come back anytime soon if at all. >> talk about this concept of double jeopardy here in the united states because, of course in italy you can be tried twice for the same crime. that's not the case for an american. would there be any circumstance in which she would actually have to face those charges again, and the u.s. would be forced to send her back to italy? >> that's always an open question. i would think it would be highly doubtful, and her

joey jackson, weigh in on that. >> sure we can and i would expect that.radition of course is the process where another country would request that we provide someone to them so that justice could be meted out. at the same time there are requests and a half the united states to other countries, as well. so we engage in the process where we respect both. but of course we have principles that are well founded within our constitution, one of which is double jeopardy. cannot be tried twice. so as a result of that, i think it would be highly objectionable for the united states to surrender someone to another country for which justice has already been administered and meted out. so i don't think an anticipate that that would happen. >> one extra issue and that is slander. it's different over there than it is here, too. and knox was convicted of slander. one of the people who i think was interrogating her. if in fact she can prove that because she's innocent of the crime she didn't slander by suggesting someone else committed the crime, can she actually sue the it

joey jackson, are you the real deal or not? >> here is my credentials. >> how does this happen?ng like this? >> unbelievably, it is easier than you might have managed. i googled it for this segment. fake lawyer and my engine almost broke there were so many things out there. what happens, two things become important. people are very vulnerable, particularly when they are accused of crimes. if they come to you and you look the part and you sell what they are buying. you are going to get me out of this mess. they'll say, okay, let's do it. when you go to court, you don't have to produce credentials. there is nothing at the time that you go into court. it is not like, okay, mr. jackson, show me your identification. the clients do that after. when you don't have successful results, they want to know all about you. it is easier than you might imagine. >> have you ever come across attorneys that are fake? >> i know a fake but i'm not talking about you. what happens is the bar does, frip from time to time, they evaluate their continuing legal education courses. you have to submit them t

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on the case with attorney and anchor of hln's "evening express," ryan smith, defense attorney joey jacksonrothers back on the koump to talk about very serious things. you first, explain statutory rape and how that's vastly different from what happened in steubenville. >> it's vastly different for this reason, the law gives you a certain age upon when you can't consent. when you're 13 years old, you don't have the legal capacity to say, okay. even if you do say it's okay, the law says you don't know enough, and therefore, it's not okay. >> ryan, just like in steub steubenville, social media is playing a part in this, some say revictimizing the alleged victim here. here's one of the tweets, even if it was all his fault, what was a 13-year-old girl doing hanging around with 18-year-old guys? tough on the victim. >> yeah, it does. you know, it gives them a sense of what really happened. they are going to investigate and look into everything and social media gives them certain leads. when you see comments like that, you say they don't understand what happened here. as joey said, that 13 year ol

. >> joey jackson and ryan smith, both on the case right now.v can be held liable in cases like this. i was watching talk shows this morning. steve harvey has ask steve. wendy williams has ask wendy. they're all giving advice on television. what does this mean if anything? >> the first thing i'll say, ryan, is this lawsuit has no legs much less feet. how do you like that one? the issue is this. this would establish a parade of hosh horribles. that means any attorney who has a talk show regarding law you're going to sue them for malpractice? a doctor dispensing advice, you're suing them? you have a financial adviser or planner. you're suing them? the law is concerned about imposing a legal duty even and i think they'll look to have the case dismissed on that ground. >> they should -- this show at the very least should have a disclaimer at the end saying we're not giving medical advice. please consult a doctor before trying any of this. i don't see the doctor-patient relationship. dr. oz didn't know his particular condition. also, you mentioned he

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