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i want to bring back joey jackson and mark o'mara. first, to you, joey jackson. a guilty plea.you a ride from the airport. guilty to what? >> think about it this way. remember, back in june, i think he was charged with three felonies according to the felly complaint. one of them had to do with disclosing national security information. the other felony national intelligence and theft of government property. all of which are quite serious and all of which could mean he could spend his life in jail. to your question, i don't know what his lawyers would agree to. maybe theft of government information. i don't think and i don't take that holder statement. i don't know that husband lawyers would be willing at this point with all the pressure and all the exposure to have him subject himself to the jurisdiction of the united states. >> mark o'mara, you are no stranger to legal parlance. to a lot, it sounded like plea discussion. entering a plea does not mean plea bargaining, does it? >> it doesn't. i think, although i don't like what snowden did, i think he did it the wrong way. what h

joey jackson, heather hanson back me. clown posses filing on freedom of association and due process. do they have a case? >> i think they're going to have a hard time. the reality is, in 2011, the fbi did an investigation, and they found that there was enough of an affiliation they could be classified as a gang. if that is the case, the fbi has the right to make that classification. similar to what happened to the hell's angels. >> how is this any different from deadheads or little monsters to lady gaga? >> the point is that it's about guilt by association and are we our brother's keeper. so the reality is, if you choose to follow a particular band, a particular group, and you individually engage in criminality, should the group itself constitute a criminal organization. and that's what it's about. and we, right, constantly in court use the defense of mere presence, a crime happens, our client is there. is he guilty simply because these merely present? >> by association? >> and by association? and that's the issue. >> we

back in cnn's legal analyst and defense attorney, danny cevallos, and criminal defense attorney joey jackson'm going to begin with you. the judge in hearing just these preliminaries was noon too pleased with this. and the fur is flying throughout the legal community that stand your ground was even broacheded in this case. is that wrong? >> no, they certainly have a legitimate point. and the judge certainly did by being none too pleased as you put it, very mildly. the point is this. whenever a person acts, the law looks at the reasonableness in their actions and the law protects reasonableness, not a rationality. therefore, when a person, for example, oversteps their bounds and is not in imminent fear of a threat that can cause them great bodily harm, then you really have to question whether or not you could even speak to the issue of stand your ground and whether it's relevant at all here. popcorn? i mean, that's something that, you know you have mild annoyances that occur. but does this mean that you kill someone? finally, ashleigh, in any instance, the force used has to be proportionate to

. >> i want to bring in our legal expert on this case, joey jackson.that's been really bothering me about this case. if a college kid right now is watching or a parent of a college kid is watching, what do you tell your child? what advice can you give them to, "a," make sure they report what happens and make sure they can protect their pry variesty if it is going to destroy their lives. to think about what happened to this girl is just awful. i get what the university is saying with regard to the medical issues, that they want to respect her medical privacy. that arguments carries muster. there is a privilege that attaches and certainly, you want to be frank with any medical professional that evaluates you. however, when it gets to the issue that if it is true this girl, this young woman said to her academic adviser, ashley, that this rape occurred. that triggers a reporting requirement. certainly, any young woman that is raped or anything else, it is not something you always want to talk about. rape victims wait and come back years later, because it i

hln legal analyst, joey jackson, joining me on this. what do you think about this, joey? are these people really with a beef? is this opportunism, is this a grass roots start for them? are they just aggravated? is this political? what do you think? >> reporter: gasp, good afternoon, brianna. there are legitimate claims. it's predicated on federal claims, in addition to state claims, like what? they're arguing in the lawsuit their ability to travel was certainly impeded as a result of this. they're arguing their due process rights under the 14th amendments were violated as a result of this. they're arguing general negligence that the people who were in charge of this certainly should have known better, and should have been trained properly. and, of course, the governor should have adequately supervised what was occurring here. and in addition to that, brianna, you are talking about damages that are real. you're talking about people's ability not to get to work oh. you're talking about a potential panic attack that someone had, who was there. and so that relates to not only

joey jackson, what happened to your chair?hing wrong. >> grab the stick on the right side >> you're short today. >> lower right side. lower, lower. pull it. there you go. >> i'm back. >> joey jackson is here to talk and you can see behind him yelp. you know those reviews you write online, you think they are anonymous. not the case. a virginia court ruled that yelp must turn over the names of seven people who wrote negative reviews of a carpet company. let's break it down with joey jackson. >> classic good morning. >> this is a very specific case. but we're looking at it because we want to know if this is going to have -- is indicative of what the future will be. break down this case. >> absolutely. we're all concerned because it's internet privacy and certainly across the country. however, as you mentioned this is specific to virginia. you have this company yelp and it's important because if people have an experience with a business you post that experience online, presumably to help out everybody else. however, we're presumin

i want to bring back in hln joey jackson and paul callan. rst to you joey, she is such a critical witness. she was there and saw everything. so she may have seen everything, but is she too partial to be an excellent witness? >> certainly she could be attacked on that basis. certainly you want witnesses who are objective and don't have a dog in the fight so to speak. you have to credit her for bravery coming out and speaking to this point. although she's not the best witness, she's a sympathetic witness. there's two major defense problems. the first problem would be the imminent of the threat. are you in imminent fear of your life because popcorn is thrown at you? that's the one question the defense has to overcome. the second question equally critical is force used has to be for the threat posed. the gross disproportion between getting popcorn thrown at you and shooting someone, there's a major disconnect which i think will raise major questions and problems in a jury's mind from a defense perspective. >> in simple terms, the victim was armed

. >> joey jackson is here to talk about this.'s about, whether when we execute people it hurts. that sounds simplistic. paul take it from there why that's an issue. isn't it really painful to execute any way? >> in most cases it is however certain drug combinations -- this by the way i was checking out this morning. most know these as versed and delouded. one relaxes you and one stops your breathing. it's a form of morphine. was he likely totally unconscious and pain free on those drug dosages, i would say yes. better than being shot, hung, executed which all have been upheld as proper methods of execution. >> it's difficult to parse this down to those moments. we're talking potentially minutes. nobody could tell with the new cocktail how long it was going to take for this man to die. isn't it like an o.d. you go out on the table, your heart stops? what's the pain here? >> it's an interesting point. if you accept the death penalty is barbaric to begin with and some do. others believe it's a proper method. to the extend you execut

. >> mark o'mara, joey jackson, good to hear from you. brilliant minds and brilliant thoughts. thanks for watching. "cnn newsroom" continues now. >>> just before the winter olympics begin, two brothers who police believe may have assisted in a deadly terrorist bombing in volgograd are now in custody. amanda knox will find out this hour whether she'll be convicted of murdering a british exchange student more than two years after she was acquitted in the case. and three inches of snowfall, that is the question frozen in everyone's mind, how did two inches of snow bring a major city to its knees? no one wants to play the blame game, but is anyone willing to take responsibility? >>> and welcome to the "cnn newsroom." i'm carole costello. thanks for joining me. the ice that caused the traffic nightmare has almost melted away, but the fi i can't say koe will forever be frozen in the city's memory. drivers are beginning to retrieve more than 2,000 vehicles abandoned all over the city. at least ten deaths were reported across the south from this week's wintry blast. and in alabama 1,60

. >> and joey jackson, not unusual that the young man who was brought in with him also wearing i believe the same red jumpsuitish outfit. >> sure. >> he also is a rapper. and he also has a degree of fame. and he's brought in with justin bieber, which is making headlines all over the country including in holding cells i would imagine. >> absolutely. but let's focus on the amount of bail set here. and the amount of bail set here or seems to be requisite with the offenses they committed, which are misdemeanor offenses. if that's any indication of how the case is going to ultimately work itself out, i think it bodes well for both of these defendants. and, remember, ashleigh, these are misdemeanor offenses. i want to point out however because of justin bieber's age, remember he's 19, it's a .02 that would have to be determined in terms of the level of alcohol as opposed to a .08, which is if he was 21 or over. so it's much easier for the prosecution to approve. >> yeah. and it's interesting to note that even though it is not legal to drink under the age of 21, there is actually a different st

mark omara and joey jackson. great to have both of you with us. going to get physical like our last guys. >> we're not going to do that. >> if this goes through the case. this is the legal system of italy, which is a major, an important country with a serious legal system. if this goes through the process and she is ultimately found guilty, should the united states put her on a plane and send her to italy where she'll go to jail for 28 1/2 years minus the few years she served. >> how can we say no to the italian government? we want them to respect our treaty part when we say we want you to extradite to us? how can we say because maybe we think she's not guilty. >> in the court of u.s. public opinion. >> and maybe because she's an attractive girl that carries some weight with the american public, it carries absolutely no weight in international law. we have a treaty, we have to respect it. >> so, the government should go ahead, whoever it will be at that time when they finish this, if it's still barack obama and go against public opinion. by the wa

let's bring in steve moore, retired supervisor and special agent for the fbi and joey jackson.'s play this this way. i will present what the prosecution is putting out there. steve you deal with it on an evidentiary basis and then what happens with the u.s. italy relations. >> my pleasure. >> the basic case here, steve is, you admitted it, amanda knox, you wrote it out that you confessed you did this. we have dna inconsistencies with your blood and the blood of the victim. we have a nice from the scene that seems to fit. we have rudy gaday that says you were involved. your behavior troubling. that is my case. why is it not strong enough in your opinion? >> the knife didn't fit the wounds in the victim. that's out. the knife had no dna from the victim. it's out. they brow beat her for 53 hours over five days to get her to implicate someone else that they needed to have. there was nothing that you can put down that is in any way, shape or form has survived the appeals. it is also false, it's also gone. >> joey jackson, i suggest that this was a sex game fwon wrong. meredith kerch

we want to bring in hln legal analyst joey jackson. >> wow. >> are they going to be searching for anyns, e-mails, texts, anything that ties him to family members or business associates? >> you better believe it. they're going to be searching for everything. the interesting thing about a federal investigation, generally by the time they catch up to you, particularly with a crime like this, there is a paper trail that's long and deep. that paper trail, particularly when we're talking about money and invests funds, there's a larger question here as well, did family members, friends know? the federal government will be going after everything with an eye on bringing him to justice. >> he with are with laughing about this, saying it's such an intriguing and fascinating story. sounds like it's from a tv movie or something. why are they so aggressively going after this guy? is it the amount of money involved? >> it's an accountability question. whenever you're in the trust of investor funds, you're a fiduciary. the message needs to be sent that funds are safe. >> sure. >> you want to encourag

last year on "20/20" i walked defense attorney joey jackson through a replica of the crime scene askinghe grabbed his gun from the side of the bed without noticing riva was no longer there. >> we're talking about the dark of night. his attention is focused on what could be ang intruder and the end of his life as well as her life. >> and pistorius has a top notch defense team that has hired a team of u.s. forensic experts to try to help clear his name. robin. >> okay, amy, for more on this we'll bring in our chief news legal affairs anchor, dan abrams. and knowing that the civil suit is possibly being settled before the trial, that's unusual. >> it is and would be a huge win for pistorius if he can put aside the civil case. remember, there are two tracks here, there's criminal, that is the state going after him. civil is a personal battle which is the family members versus pistorius. if he could end that for something like $200,000, that's a huge win for him. the question would be, why would the family, why would her family want to cut that deal now? >> why do you think? >> look, it coul

paul callen is with joey jackson. welcome. erin, i want to start with you. what's the reaction in italy today? >> well, mixed reaction here in italy. many of the italian journalists, though, that i have spoken to who have been covering this case from the very beginning do not agree with this court's decision, but if you speak to the regular person on the street who has been following this trial, i'm getting mixed reaction. some are agreeing with the court's decision and others are disagreeing, carol. >> i do understand that the kercher family spoke out this morning. what did they say? >> that's right. meredith kercher's brother and sister speaking out this morning in their very first interview after the conviction saying that nothing will bring meredith back but they added that in the event that amanda knox should be extra dpri extradited they would support that. >> joey, i'll turn to you. you heard what amanda knox said. she will fight this as hard as she can. she's refusing to go back to italy. will she be successful? >> she very well may be, carol and tin

joining us to talk about it is legal analyst joey jackson and joe zellner. id wildstein pleaded the fifth. what happens? >> there is a criminal investigation. we are aware of the federal government looking at this. the united states attorney's office. when you have the potential for a federal prosecution, i say potential because they will look and see if federal laws were violated. they will look at the hobbs act and see if there is any here. whenever there is the spector or potential for federal prosecution, any official who could be embroiled in that, v k vict victor, is not going to expose themselves in that. anyone testifying will say take the fifth at this point. they are well within their rights to do that under the united states constitution. >> we know the democrats are gunning for christie. is there any chance this investigation could back fire if christie turns out to be a victim as well? >> it could. christie essentially set the bar the other day and said he knew nothing about this and held the people that did accountable. if the story holds at tha

joey jackson is our hln legal analyst to talk more about this. i have a lot of questions on this.ate. you go to a movie theater and you expect to be safe. it's a sanctuary. remember you have to overcome that with the judge and subsequent to that a jury who feels you may have overreacted. of course what the defense will lay out is it was self-defense he was in imminent fear of his life or serious injury and they will try to sell that at the same time what the prosecution will argue, kate, is that it was an overreaction. remember the force used has to be proportionate to the threat used. >> that's the thing. you keep bringing this up, chris. the threat may have been popcorn. >> right. let's game it out. he says that -- he's sitting there watching, doesn't like the texting. okay. he leaves. he comes back. there's an altercation. what could have happened during that altercation that would give a scintilla of proof there was serious injury. >> that's important. what you have to analyze is his state of mind. what did he believe at the time. was he under attack. did he feel he was in fea

jackson is here. do they prove anything, danny? >> there was a time when joey and i probably had to hire some gum shoe private investigator to wait in the hedges and take pictures of people claiming they were injured. i have no doubt they come from facebook, twitter, social media. that part of the job is completely gone now. if you want to get photos of people engaging in activity when they are engaging in activity, it is shockingly easy now. maybe that's the price of being social in america. that's what i'm betting these people did. not a thought to the fact that they might get caught. >> you used a term nudniks. >> for the defense, if i may, the long island railroad did the same thing when there was a disability fraud. there were dozens of people who were indicted. i happen to represent one of those people. things did not go go well for her in addition to a number of other people. some of these are defensible. there is a distinction between a disability and an occupation the disability. there are certain things you can do in your regular life, walking for sho

. ( laughter ) >> stahl: joey degrandis, bill brown, tracy fersan, and jerrard heard are among the 50 new subjects. all right, what happened on june 25, 2009? >> michael jacksonrrah fawcett, that morning. >> that's right... >> tracy: they both died the same day. >> stahl: and when they think about those days, they actually relive them. >> tracy: it's not just a question of numbers, dates and times. it's emotion. and so, you know, when we wake up on that certain day of the year, it's kind of like how everybody wakes up feeling on 9/11. >> stahl: do you even know that when i think of something five years ago, i don't have much emotion attached to it? >> bill: i... i can't even relate to that. >> yeah. >> bill: i... i don't even understand that. >> stahl: so, joe, how old were you when you first realized that you could do this? >> joey: i was about ten years old. it was the fall of '94. ( laughter ) >> stahl: it was a tuesday. >> how's it goin' so far? you trickin' people? >> joey: we had a fourth grade magic show at the very end of the year. it was thursday, june 1, of '95. and i remember, like the week before, you know, trying to think of, "what... what am i g

. >> joey degrandis bill brown, tracy fersan, and gerald heard, are among the 50 new subjects. >> all right. what happened on january 25th 2009. >> michael jacksonago. good morning to you both. let's start with you, joey degrandis. i love that you were sitting at home and see this report. before this report did you think you were a super smart kid or you had a special skill? >> i knew i had an ability but from a scientific stand point i didn't know they were calling it hasm and that they were studied it. i thought it was a fun party trick. you know, was a good student but not above average student in math or science or in any one particular area so i never knew until i saw the special, the depth of the research that was being done. >> it must have been nice to say, hey there's other people like me, but when did you know you could do this. >> i was about 10. i turned 10 in 1994. >> what day? >> wii was going to say that. >> september 10th 'of '94, my birthday, it was a wednesday. subsequently that spring i did the magic show as part of a, you know wrap-up end-of-the-year symposium for everyone in our class. everyone had to pick a trick. it was a